Help
Scoring: IMP
South is declarer in 6 spades on a trump lead if you play low from dummy you can win the first trick with the s9. Now which is the best line?
Page 1 of 1
Vugraph slam brought discussion What is the best line?
#1
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,143
- Joined: 2003-May-02
- Location:Buenos Aires, Argentina
Posted 2004-November-25, 12:18
South is declarer in 6 spades on a trump lead if you play low from dummy you can win the first trick with the s9. Now which is the best line?
The legend of the black octogon.
#2
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,016
- Joined: 2004-October-17
Posted 2004-November-25, 12:45
Double finesse ♥. 2nd trump to dummy and play a ♥ back to 9. Assume it losses to ♥J. If West returns a trump, win in dummy and continue ♥ finesse. Draw trumps and cashes ♦ winners and ♥A. If ♥K doesn't drop, you have to determine to finesse ♣ or drop.
If West returns a ♣, win with ♣A and continue the ♥ finesse. If ♠ breaks, you may ruff a ♥ in dummy and ... claims.
If West returns a ♣, win with ♣A and continue the ♥ finesse. If ♠ breaks, you may ruff a ♥ in dummy and ... claims.
Senshu
#3
- World International Master without a clue
-
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 17,404
- Joined: 2003-November-13
- Gender:Male
- Location:madrid
Posted 2004-November-25, 15:01
this is a problem and I feel biased to assume ♥K is offside, this makes me think about ♣A + ♥ to the ♥10 
.
.
#4
- Group: Advanced Members
- Posts: 2,143
- Joined: 2003-May-02
- Location:Buenos Aires, Argentina
Posted 2004-November-25, 15:17
I don't want you guys to make 6s, just determine which is the best line.
The result really doesn't matter.
The result really doesn't matter.
The legend of the black octogon.
#5
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 428
- Joined: 2003-October-27
Posted 2004-November-25, 17:07
How about 3 rounds of diamonds, then ace of heart, heart ruff, ace of club, club ruff, heart ruff, club ruff and take the two top spades for 12 tricks.
Doesn't seem to require much, either West has 3+ clubs or 2 clubs without the spade 10 (and diamonds not 6-2). Remember to win the first trick in the short hand though...
Doesn't seem to require much, either West has 3+ clubs or 2 clubs without the spade 10 (and diamonds not 6-2). Remember to win the first trick in the short hand though...
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
#6
- Group: Admin
- Posts: 14,566
- Joined: 2003-February-13
- Gender:Male
- Location:Amelia Island, FL
- Interests:Bridge, what else?
Posted 2004-November-25, 22:00
luis, on Nov 25 2004, 02:18 PM, said:
Scoring: IMP
South is declarer in 6 spades on a trump lead if you play low from dummy you can win the first trick with the s9. Now which is the best line?
Trump lead leaves you a trick short of a dummy reversal unless Clubs are precisely 3-3 or 4-2 with doubleton king, which is about 51.7$, but this also requires spades to be 3-2, which reduces the odds of this line to and spades 3-2. Considering after this liead, I assume EAST followed suit,the odds of 3-2 is around 70%, for net odds of dummy revesal of only 36.5% (don't hook the TEn on first round.. if Queen wins you can go ruffing).
If you try a heart hook, going for two heart ruffs, if hte heart hook loses, another trump back leaves you in desperate straights. You will be only able to ruff one heart, so you need to drop the heart JACK or find a squeeze. But if heart to the QUEEN wins (50% chance), you are almost surely home, and when it loses, and a spade back, you are still in the game. Win spade in hand (fi both follow), cash heart ACE, ruff a heart, enter hand with diamond. Pull the last trump. And run winners.. (assuming heart JACK hasn't showed up). The last two tricks will be heart jack and a club in south and club AQ in north. Now you can play for hook or squeeze. Either way, the odds of this line are better than 75% because the heart jack mght drop in three rounds and because at worse after that you have a club hook (or squeeze) option.
Third line. Win spade in hand, cash three diamonds (for heart discard), then cash heart ace, heart ruff, club ace, heeart ruff, club ace, club ruff.
This line seems on the surface easy enough. Diamonds wil lnot be 4-4 or 5-3 80% of the time, and even if not, if someone ruffs the thrid diamond, you are not down yet. After the third diamond stands up, you can cash heart aCE, ruff a heart, cash club ace, ruff a club and ruff a heart. This will all go easily enough, and this will be the position
Scoring: IMP
You lead a club, but they have chances to beat you. If east was 2-2 in black suits, he could ruff getting a trump promotion if you overrruff and the heart king hasn't fallen. If he had 4 clubs, West will be over=ruffing if you ruff low. and a heart pitch does no good at all. It takes clubs 3-3 or East having 3♠ and 2♣ in this ending for this line to work. 3-3 clubs with spades 3-3 or east with 3S and 2C. The combined chances of this is 36%. So this line is fairly poor (80%x36%= 29%)
All things considered, I win the spade in dummy, and take an immediate hook of the heart eight. This was an interest hand because I was commenting in the closed room where the contract was 7♠ on a heart lead making. I happen to know that the contract in the other room was 6♠ down on a trump lead. A huge, huge swing indeed.
--Ben--
#7
- Group: Full Members
- Posts: 278
- Joined: 2003-May-17
Posted 2004-November-26, 01:58
Win at hand, club to the ace, club ruff.
Trump to queen, all follow, club ruff, they were 3-3.
Trump to ace, 13 tricks, easy game bridge.
Actually, I knew the hand. But seriously I would go
for Gerben's line.
Trump to queen, all follow, club ruff, they were 3-3.
Trump to ace, 13 tricks, easy game bridge.
Actually, I knew the hand. But seriously I would go
for Gerben's line.
Page 1 of 1