[andrei]

w/r, IMP, first seat

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1. How many clubs would you bid now?

2. If you bid 5C, and it goes (5S) - p - (p), what now?

[Codo]

1. I try 6 ♣ at once, I bet they have game, so this will hardly be too expensive, maybe it even makes.

2. I try 6 ♣ now....

[aguahombre]

Am not a big fan of big jumps with such uncertain trick-taking potential in one of my suits. But I also don't have a lot of experience against 1-2-5 sequences by vulnerable opponents; so, who knows?

Maybe this is one of those situations where if we give them and partner a bit more room things will go in our favor; and maybe not. 4C might be just the right amount to allow partner to make the right decision and/or the Opps to go wrong; and maybe not.

[kenrexford]

Is this what a 4NT opening is supposed to look like?

[aguahombre]

kenrexford, on 2012-September-10, 12:09, said:

Is this what a 4NT opening is supposed to look like?

I believe it might be, for some folks. These threads have suggested it is a specific ace-ask or just plain Wood for a lot of pairs.

[Yu18772]

I would open 4NT, but given the auction I think you should bid as many clubs as you decide to compete to. Personally, I prefer 6♣ now.
Yu

[pirate22]

although with some partners i use 4n/t as ace ask.
but what about a 2cl opener-assuming that we play 2d
AUTO,unless pard has a good suit {Quality) not 6
card suit to KJ. regards

[aguahombre]

I cannot find the words to describe the virtues of opening the hand 2C.

[CSGibson]

How about 3♣ now? It's not going to die there, and if I bid it more slowly, I might have a better chance to buy it doubled at the 4 or 5 level.

[PhilKing]

It's pretty hard to construct a hand consistent with the bidding so far.

LHO makes a simple overcall. RHO makes a minimum raise. What the heck is going on? I vote to go slowly with 3♣. I am happy to let them find their double fit because I think that will lure them to destruction.

I don't want to jump to 5♣ and it to go all pass. If partner continues to show no sign of life I plan to bid 5♣ in due course and then start doubling. If I catch a raise, I will still just bid 5♣ in an attempt to catch a bite. Yum, yum.

[the hog]

aguahombre, on 2012-September-16, 14:48, said:

I cannot find the words to describe the virtues of opening the hand 2C.

I too am lost for words. By the way, I bid 5C now.

[kayin801]

I think bidding more diamonds, while operating to some extent, is a good alternative here. Our suit does rate to play for no loser and any club length/values partner has won't be wasted.

That said, I would hope 4♣ is strong and forcing and so I'd bid that. I'm not worried about being outbid since I'll bid to the 5 level on my own. If 4♣ isn't strong and forcing 5♣ seems best. It's not unreasonable for 3♣ to get left in (partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming)

[aguahombre]

kayin801, on 2012-September-16, 18:22, said:

(partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming)

You mean partner is sitting in for someone who got ill after failing to double the 1♠ overcall?

[PhilKing]

kayin801, on 2012-September-16, 18:22, said:

It's not unreasonable for 3♣ to get left in (partner has Kxxx, KJxxxx, x, xx, for example, there may not be any more bids coming)

We probably belong in 2NT opposite the hand you give, but even that could be too high. 3♣ should produce a nice safe little plus score!

Seriously though, I'm getting a bit worried that partner is 45+ in the majors since it fits in pretty well with the (lack of) auction to date, so jumping to 4♣ and doubling next round to involve partner looks pretty rational. 4♣ definitely isn't forcing, but if it goes all pass, although we could have missed game, it's not a given. I would pass a correction to 4♦, since partner's expected number of minor suit cards goes down even further when West does not bid 4♥/4♠ - I'm now expecting a hand a bit like the one you give (4621), only somewhat weaker.

Just assuming 5m will be on and trying to get doubled may well backfire pretty badly. After all, isn't this the section basically devoted to misfit hands?

[pirate22]

apols miss read the question

[32519]

You’re never going to win a decent fight against the majors. This hand is intent on forcing to game in either minor. If you can’t stomach a 2♣ opener, then how about trying to sow some confusion into the bidding through opening a Multi 2♦? When the dust settles (partner assuming a massive ♥ fit after the opponents keep on raising the ante in the ♠ suit) you may easily find yourself forced to level 6 anyway as a number of posters have already suggested.

A Multi opening could be lots of fun (and yes I still absolutely loathe the Multi, but hey, if it’s part of your agreement and you can create some havoc, then why not?)

[manudude03]

Why do you want to psyche a multi when you don't need that much to make slam.... I'll bid 5C then pass 5S. We could easily just be winning our 2 aces or 2 diamonds and a heart trick in partner's hand (or a ruff if partner finds an inspired lead from Kxxx in hearts and out or something)

[MinorKid]

On this hand i would rather go very slowly, as a plus score is what i am just looking for, which should already give average plus score.

I would try 3♣.

If partner raise i am pretty sure it is based on a 4+ support that gives >50% chance for 6♣.
Else, I will pull partner's 3♥/3NT or opponent's bid to lowest ♣. If partner give preference to ♦ i think 5♦ is a good spot.

[Fluffy]

Can't see the benefit of playing clubs over diamonds, perhaps if partner has ♠KJxx ♥KQ10xx ♦x ♣xxx we can get to dummy by ruffing a diamond, but other than that diamonds are equal or better. I think 6♦ is a better bid, I'd try it.

[kayin801]

aguahombre, on 2012-September-16, 18:29, said:

You mean partner is sitting in for someone who got ill after failing to double the 1♠ overcall?

Ugh yes that's a neg X, as is fluffy's example hand. Idk then, make it all that much weaker and there's increased likelihood they compete to 3♠ so a passout of 3♣ is less probable. Maybe if we make partner's hand more quacky he won't X.