[whereagles]

Scoring: IMP

BBO tournament hand

You're playing 2/1

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[lowerline]

whereagles, on Nov 18 2004, 04:36 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

BBO tournament hand

You're playing 2/1

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Playing 2/1 Italian style:

1♠ 2♥(1)
2♠(2) 2NT(3)
3♦ 3♥(4)
3♠(5) 3NT
pass

1 = 4-7 3crd ♠ OR GF 5+crd ♦
2 = 11-16 any
3 = GF 5♦4♣
4 = cue
5 = good suit

[Chamaco]

1♠:2♦
2♥:3♣
3♦:3NT

[jtfanclub]

Chamaco, on Nov 18 2004, 05:31 AM, said:

1♠:2♦
2♥:3♣
3♦:3NT

Same for me, except opener bids 3NT instead of 3♦. I want the lead going around to me in all four suits.

[Chamaco]

jtfanclub, on Nov 18 2004, 11:04 AM, said:

Chamaco, on Nov 18 2004, 05:31 AM, said:

1♠:2♦
2♥:3♣
3♦:3NT

Same for me, except opener bids 3NT instead of 3♦. I want the lead going around to me in all four suits.

3♣ is fourth suit forcing, does not promise anything in clubs.
So opener with stiff K should not (yet) bid NT.

[flytoox]

Chamaco, on Nov 18 2004, 10:31 AM, said:

1♠:2♦
2♥:3♣
3♦:3NT

dont worry about club then? pd is marked with singleton. I would prefer 5D here.

[Chamaco]

Jlall, on Nov 18 2004, 11:27 AM, said:

1S 2D
2H 2N

2N must guarantee 2+ cards in pard's first suit (or exceptionaly a stiff honor)

[Fluffy]

I don´t agree with you, 2NT is just a further ask to me, doesn´t promise really anything.

1♠-2♦
2♥-3♣
3♦-3♥
3NT

2NT would be great if partner has 5404, but I am happy with natural 3♣, I don´t wanna receeive the lead to 3NT.

[Chamaco]

Fluffy, on Nov 18 2004, 02:04 PM, said:

I don´t agree with you, 2NT is just a further ask to me, doesn´t promise really anything.

It is Lawrence's version 2/1 (e.g. "Workbook on 2/1" adn "Uncontested auction"), which is the starting point of Gitelman's 2/1, and which is usually preferred to Hardy's version by experts 2/1 players.

It states specifically that 2NT guarantees at least a doubleton in pard's suit (or exceptionally a stiff honor).

Of course, nowadays anyone has their own gadgets and their own way to play it, but for undiscussed auctions, usually Lawrence is the reference.

[inquiry]

Many people use 2NT here (these days), as a general "tell me more" kind of bid, trying to extract more information from opener. For these people, 2NT is sort of automatic and says nothing about responder's hand. I think a lot of the 2NT bidders here use it this way as opposed to showing specifically a balanced hand.

Ben

[PriorKnowledge]

Notes:
1)
1S 2D
2H 3C

3C is not 4SF. You already have a GF. 3C is natural. There is no reason to play this any other way.

2)
1S 2D
2H 2N/3N
2N = 12-14 or 18-19... With 18-19 responder will bid 4N over 3N
3N = 15-17

[pclayton]

I'd probably stumble into 6♦:

1♠ - 2♦
2♥ - 3♣
3♦ - 3♥
3N - 4♣
4♦ - 4♥
4N - 5♥
6♣ - 6♦

Yes I can see it plays awkwardly, but it seems to me that I'll make if either major King is on my left and trumps are 3-2.

[whereagles]

Either?? How can you test both simultaneously??

[inquiry]

whereagles, on Nov 18 2004, 01:45 PM, said:

Either?? How can you test both simultaneously??

You can play low to the heart queen, and if that fails, you can then try the spade hook, in theory at least. There is some problems with getting locked in dummy on a trump back when the heart King loses.. as it makes it difficult to ruff two clubs in dummy. So if the heart Queen loses to the King, you not only need 3-2 diamonds, you need 4-3 spades with king on side, I think.

Ben

[Fluffy]

PriorKnowledge, on Nov 18 2004, 04:31 PM, said:

Notes:
1)
1S 2D
2H 3C

3C is not 4SF. You already have a GF. 3C is natural. There is no reason to play this any other way.

2)
1S 2D
2H 2N/3N
2N = 12-14 or 18-19... With 18-19 responder will bid 4N over 3N
3N = 15-17

You seem to have the same references as me .

[luke warm]

for better or worse, i agree with phil... i think i'd be in 6d

[pclayton]

Yeah; I think its unlucky to catch the stiff K♣ instead of a working honor.

[cf_John0]

I support fast arrival of 3NT after 2/1, 'cause of no good fit.

[pbleighton]

"I support fast arrival of 3NT after 2/1, 'cause of no good fit."

Agree - the small extra values cancelled by misfit.

1S-2D-2H-3NT.

Peter