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1 spade 2 spade by me, was it that bad?
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OK Just how bad was my 2 spade bid opinions required please
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Posted 2004-November-16, 13:54
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1 spade 2 spade by me, was it that bad?
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:08
sceptic, on Nov 16 2004, 02:54 PM, said:
1 spade 2 spade by me, was it that bad?
The way I play it, the rebid turns it from a strong one to a weak 2...a hand that probably should have opened 2 spades, but had too many points. Your hand certainly fits the profile.
So you lost...two spades, two hearts, a diamond, and two clubs, right? Down 3?
While three NT for them is icy cold? I'd certainly say the results were in your favor.
It doesn't look like your partner realized what was going on, though. In the balancing seat, he risks pushing them into game.
So, nothing wrong with it the way I play it. I don't know if it's wrong or not when others play it.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:22
I don't like the 2♠ call, but your partner's 3♠ call is really drek.
Down 3 vulnerable undoubled, yeah - really great result. I'm guessing you could have defended 3♣ for -150 just as easy.
Down 3 vulnerable undoubled, yeah - really great result. I'm guessing you could have defended 3♣ for -150 just as easy.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:27
2♠ is acceptable, 3♠ is nuts...
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:32
hate 2S....
all the warning signs are there, you are red/white... pard has shown a bust and you have only 12 and the opp balanced with only 2C so there is a VERY strong chance they were trapping 1S (on this deal the 2C bidder was just out to lunch). You have a suit made of cheese. no spots to speak of other than the 9. Where are you going here? pard has at most 5, you have 12. You wont bid game, you wont win a partscore war. All you can do is go for a telephone #.
all the warning signs are there, you are red/white... pard has shown a bust and you have only 12 and the opp balanced with only 2C so there is a VERY strong chance they were trapping 1S (on this deal the 2C bidder was just out to lunch). You have a suit made of cheese. no spots to speak of other than the 9. Where are you going here? pard has at most 5, you have 12. You wont bid game, you wont win a partscore war. All you can do is go for a telephone #.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:35
pclayton, on Nov 16 2004, 03:22 PM, said:
Down 3 vulnerable undoubled, yeah - really great result.
It should be 3♣ undoubled. I don't think anybody likes the 3♠ call.
The question is, if North passes the 2♣ bid, will they find 3NT?
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:42
jtfanclub, on Nov 16 2004, 12:35 PM, said:
pclayton, on Nov 16 2004, 03:22 PM, said:
Down 3 vulnerable undoubled, yeah - really great result.
It should be 3♣ undoubled. I don't think anybody likes the 3♠ call.
The question is, if North passes the 2♣ bid, will they find 3NT?
No; I'm guessing the balancing overcall on the 16 count will buy it at 2♣. If anything, the 2♠ call gave them another shot to find 3N, (not to mention the 3♠ call.).....
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:47
pclayton, on Nov 16 2004, 03:42 PM, said:
No; I'm guessing the balancing overcall on the 16 count will buy it at 2♣. If anything, the 2♠ call gave them another shot to find 3N, (not to mention the 3♠ call.).....
Fair enough.
How about if I said this...
There's nothing terrible with the 2♠ bid, you're not promising something you don't have. But a number of different factors, including vulnerability and a lack of spots (and the Qx may be valuable on defense but not offense, and...), made pass better with your hand.
Would you agree with that statement?
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Posted 2004-November-16, 14:54
jtfanclub, on Nov 16 2004, 12:47 PM, said:
pclayton, on Nov 16 2004, 03:42 PM, said:
No; I'm guessing the balancing overcall on the 16 count will buy it at 2♣. If anything, the 2♠ call gave them another shot to find 3N, (not to mention the 3♠ call.).....
Fair enough.
How about if I said this...
There's nothing terrible with the 2♠ bid, you're not promising something you don't have. But a number of different factors, including vulnerability and a lack of spots (and the Qx may be valuable on defense but not offense, and...), made pass better with your hand.
Would you agree with that statement?
Most of it. Give me KQJ9xx, xx, AQx, xx and I can find a 2♠ call.
A lot of what we are doing here is just an academic exercise. My lack of a 2♠ call and your (recommended) 2♠ call didn't have a lot to do with the outcome. The opponents were marked for a ugly result with that ridiculous balance on 8 tricks in his own hand.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 16:46
2S is a fine bid. It takes the whole two-level away from them and that's very important. If the hand is BETTER than a 2S opening, why not bidding up to 2S anyway? 
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Posted 2004-November-16, 16:59
♠ KQ9532
♥ Q8
♦ A75
♣ J9
2S is not the worst bid in the world, but it is not a good bid either. Sure you have a 6th S, but the suit is tatty and the unsupported red suit honours do nothing for your hand. Pass would have been far better. Pd's 3S on the other hand is awful.
You should also be able to tell that something is strange about this auction - I would guess rho has underbid grossly or lho has a S stack.
♥ Q8
♦ A75
♣ J9
2S is not the worst bid in the world, but it is not a good bid either. Sure you have a 6th S, but the suit is tatty and the unsupported red suit honours do nothing for your hand. Pass would have been far better. Pd's 3S on the other hand is awful.
You should also be able to tell that something is strange about this auction - I would guess rho has underbid grossly or lho has a S stack.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 17:03
youre promising that u have a GOOD 6 card suit. This is not a good 6 card suit. come on, how can there not be a trap behind you if the opps are bidding sanely? 2S is suicide.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 18:28
i'd have opened 2s, so it's hard to criticize it as a rebid
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Posted 2004-November-16, 18:48
The_Hog, on Nov 16 2004, 05:59 PM, said:
♠ KQ9532
♥ Q8
♦ A75
♣ J9
2S is not the worst bid in the world, but it is not a good bid either. Sure you have a 6th S, but the suit is tatty and the unsupported red suit honours do nothing for your hand. Pass would have been far better. Pd's 3S on the other hand is awful.
You should also be able to tell that something is strange about this auction - I would guess rho has underbid grossly or lho has a S stack.
♥ Q8
♦ A75
♣ J9
2S is not the worst bid in the world, but it is not a good bid either. Sure you have a 6th S, but the suit is tatty and the unsupported red suit honours do nothing for your hand. Pass would have been far better. Pd's 3S on the other hand is awful.
You should also be able to tell that something is strange about this auction - I would guess rho has underbid grossly or lho has a S stack.
Agree with Ron this time.
2S was not good, but acceptable. 3S from South with that hand was completely off the way.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 19:27
HeartA, on Nov 17 2004, 12:48 AM, said:
Agree with Ron this time.
2S was not good, but acceptable. 3S from South with that hand was completely off the way.
2S was not good, but acceptable. 3S from South with that hand was completely off the way.
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Posted 2004-November-16, 22:29
2♠ is totally attrocious... it can't possible be descibe as "acceptible"... ever.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 05:59
2S is marginal - OK at MPs or NV at teams, but not good vul at teams. Not terrible, though.
3S is crazy, especially vul.
Peter
3S is crazy, especially vul.
Peter
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Posted 2004-November-17, 15:08
i really think everyone (except ben) is being VERY kind to 2S
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Posted 2004-November-17, 15:53
2S is OK. Make it more difficult for opps to find their possible heart game.
3S is insane. A balanced hand with xx support when you have a chance to drop the opps in 3 of a minor?
3S is insane. A balanced hand with xx support when you have a chance to drop the opps in 3 of a minor?
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