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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2012-May-31, 13:34


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Posted 2012-June-02, 01:33

Heart is obvious. I suppose it's right to lead the 9 in order to unblock when partner has 5 or in case the suit is laid out like this:

      Txx

Q98x    Jxx

      AKx

but I'm a simple soul and would lead the 4.
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Posted 2012-June-02, 03:08

In most layouts where ♥9 is necessary double-dummy, it's not necessary in practice because declarer will play the 10 anyway. That applies to dave_w's example, and also to
         A10x
Q98x          Jxx
         K7x
I don't think it will ever be necessary to lead high in order to unblock - opener would have bid 4♠ if he had a singleton. The nine can be expensive if declarer has four hearts, so I'd definitely lead a low one.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-June-02, 14:34

♥8 to protect against partner's possible Hxxxx. S/he won't have another entry.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 09:27

View PostSteveMoe, on 2012-June-02, 14:34, said:

♥8 to protect against partner's possible Hxxxx. S/he won't have another entry.


Impossible, opener would have corrected to 4♠ with a singleton ♥.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 10:09

I'll try a club. It's partner's longest suit given the bidding. While obviously a heart could win, it actually needs a fairly specific layout. The problem is that if partner has ♥A or ♥K, he is unlikely to have much else (since he is marked with about 4-5 hcp) and declarer can normally make via five spades, one heart, and three clubs. So if we lead a heart, we are hoping partner has ♥J and another entry, but this gives declarer two heart controls so he can potentially take two hearts, four spades, three clubs (if partner has say ♠K) or two hearts, five spades, two clubs (if partner has say ♣A).

There are a number of layouts where club lead wins; if partner has club values (which seems likely given his shape) then it's not totally clear where declarer's tricks are. He has five spades, two hearts, and a club (partner's clubs can't be that good) but this could easily be all. A heart lead in this situation could give trick nine.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 12:36

In essence the question is active (♥) or passive attack(♣)!
If I think that my opponent have more (14)15 HPC , my lead is ♥...else ♣!
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Posted 2012-June-03, 14:14

View Postawm, on 2012-June-03, 10:09, said:

The problem is that if partner has ♥A or ♥K, he is unlikely to have much else (since he is marked with about 4-5 hcp)

Even if we assume that they don't open balanced 11-counts, partner's minimum is 6, not 5 (40 - 13 - 12 - 9). That just allows room for partner to have a top heart plus a spade entry.
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Posted 2012-June-03, 14:54

and what is his maximum then? :P
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Posted 2012-June-04, 16:59

i dont see the rush to lead a heart-it requires quite a bit from p to be right
and there is a fair risk it just gives up a heart trick for no good reason. I

IMO lead a low dia since all I need from p is the J to get us 3 dia tricks
or possibly get dia going so we can get 3 dia tricks any time rho has Kxx
or KJx and p gets in to return the suit. A dia will rarey give up both a
trick and tempo while a heart will do both a fair % of the time.
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Posted 2012-June-04, 21:02

View Posttwoshy, on 2012-June-03, 09:27, said:

Impossible, opener would have corrected to 4♠ with a singleton ♥.

So ♥ can't split 2-2 between north and south??
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Posted 2012-June-04, 22:42

View PostSteveMoe, on 2012-June-04, 21:02, said:

So ♥ can't split 2-2 between north and south??


Not when declarer promises 3.

We have to lead aggressively since declarer is setting up spades for 4/5 tricks pretty quickly. A diamond seems to give us the best shot of 3/4 tricks in that suit plus something outside, while a heart needs more help from partner and looks more likely to set up a slow 9th trick. We aren't going to be able to run diamonds anyway if declarer has K9x or K10x. A low diamond doesn't seem that likely to cost unless it immediately grants a 9th trick they were never getting (AKQxx, xx, Jxx, Qxx vs. xxx, AJxx, Kxx, AJx)

Hmm maybe I talked myself into a heart, in which case the layout will be AQ10xx, Axx, xx, Qxx vs xxx, KJx, Jxxx, AKx

FWIW I think a club is as dangerous as the other 2 for the same reasons, but I like it less because it's rarely going to set up tricks for our side.
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