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Should I stay or should I go?

#1 User is offline   diana_eva 

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Posted 2012-February-29, 07:52



Run or not?

Random partnership, you don't know how bad or good that 2♥ can be.

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Posted 2012-February-29, 07:53

pass (hole, digging, etc)

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Posted 2012-February-29, 08:55

pass, I will usually not find a better fit.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:20

Pass, because the most likely action after XX is pass by your partner, and the most likely action over 2♠ is 3♥ by your partner. Now try introducing 4 of a minor after South whacks 3♥! What fun. What fun for North/South.

With an experienced partner, either have the option to make a non-forcing bid of 2♠ here or redouble, asking for him to jump to his longest other suit.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:30

I think 2s after that x is not forcing... And this partner would definitely not run to 3h

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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:30

Exactly like the song. 'If I go it will be trouble', so Pass.

Yes, 'If I stay it will be double', but maybe that'll show partner not to make terrible pre-emptives when vulnerable.

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:34

pass and take your medicine
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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:40

View Postdiana_eva, on 2012-February-29, 09:30, said:

I think 2s after that x is not forcing... And this partner would definitely not run to 3h


You just said it was a random partnership. Having become an expert at random partnerships at BBO, I can tell you that there is a VERY high chance partner will run. And even if he doesn't, you might have 3 spade losers. Or 4.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:43

Random partner (OP conditions):

On-line random will consistently have everything but hearts. I will bid 2S. This random partner will pass with 3, or bid a 4-card minor. Even these types will not rebid their hearts. :rolleyes:

F2F, I sit. Would have discussed what a wk-2 looks like with any real life partner.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 09:44

Pass, even if you find a better fit, you'll likely only score maybe 1 more trick. If you decide you really can't stomach pass, then redouble (assuming you can trust partner to take it as SOS)
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:29

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-February-29, 09:43, said:

Random partner (OP conditions):

On-line random will consistently have everything but hearts.

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Even these types will not rebid their hearts. :rolleyes:



Wrong.

And, wrong again.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:30

View Postmanudude03, on 2012-February-29, 09:44, said:

Pass, even if you find a better fit, you'll likely only score maybe 1 more trick. If you decide you really can't stomach pass, then redouble (assuming you can trust partner to take it as SOS)


If you do this, get ready to sit for 2♥XX-4.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:36

I would redouble. There is a huge upside to finding a better fit, and even if partner sits, the IMP difference between 800 and 1600 is minor compared to finding a better contract, or chasing them off a double.

I wonder if this the RHO to Diana's AQx xx Kxx xxxxx? :P
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:38

Is this imps? Whatever, I'm running. 2♥ is likely to be a disaster, but 2♠ hasn't been doubled yet - maybe it won't be a disaster. I mean, really, we have a 7+ card fit somewhere, and where ever it is, it likely plays better than hearts.

And as far as Tate's insistence that this sequence gets us to 3♥ - No, not if you are playing with non-beginners.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:40

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. In general by random partner i mean someone with whom i have no special agreements - not someone who should be treated as an absolute beginner or a lunatic. Even though I wouldn't know his preempts or his style, this doesn't imply it's more likely he has a terrible suit. It's just something i have no information about.

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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:41

View PostHighLow21, on 2012-February-29, 10:30, said:

If you do this, get ready to sit for 2♥XX-4.


Maybe I will, but at least partner may learn a very useful treatment (I did say assuming partner will know if its SOS).
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Posted 2012-February-29, 10:41

I would XX opposite a pick-up partner who I knew to be good.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 11:18

I strongly disagree with a redouble. Partner is hardly ever going to pull to ♠ with even 3 and he never has 4. ♠ may well be your best spot, but you'll find yourself in 3m before you know it/

With a pickup partner I would just pass, but with my regular partner I would bid 2♠ (which would promise another safe suit). P will then sit 2 with a doubleton or better and pull or redouble (if doubled) for SOS with a single or void ♠. We then probably end up in 3 of a minor.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 13:09

View Postdiana_eva, on 2012-February-29, 10:40, said:

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. In general by random partner i mean someone with whom i have no special agreements - not someone who should be treated as an absolute beginner or a lunatic. Even though I wouldn't know his preempts or his style, this doesn't imply it's more likely he has a terrible suit. It's just something i have no information about.


Well then in that case, I would take action --> probably 2♠, trusting my partner to know what the situation is. I apologize, but earlier your context was far from clear to me.
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Posted 2012-February-29, 13:10

View PostPhil, on 2012-February-29, 10:36, said:

I would redouble. There is a huge upside to finding a better fit, and even if partner sits, the IMP difference between 800 and 1600 is minor compared to finding a better contract, or chasing them off a double.

I wonder if this the RHO to Diana's AQx xx Kxx xxxxx? :P


I think it very well might be!!! Hahahaha :blink:
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