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How to bid this hand with natural bid?

#21 User is offline   flytoox 

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Posted 2004-October-31, 12:04

Flame, on Oct 30 2004, 08:10 PM, said:

1NT - 2
2 -3
3 -3
3NT/4 -4
4 -4NT
5 - 7/6
2c stayman
3c showing 5 clubs 4M and slam seeking
3H cue bid showing club fit
3sp cue
3NT/4C cue or whatever 3nt mean here
4D - cue
4H -cue showing second honor in the suit
4NT aces
5sp - 2 aces with the Q of club
7club - to play or 6D if this asks about Q of diamond, if partner has the Q we can bid 7NT.

I like this sequence.
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Posted 2004-November-02, 21:10

1NT--2!c
2!d---3!c
3!h---3!s
3NT--4!d
4!h---4NT
5!s---7!c
I think this sequence will be reasonable.
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Posted 2004-November-03, 06:12

I don't play sayc but acol. It's also natural system.

1-1 (we do not bid inverted minor with 4c major)
1NT- 2 (16-18 4333 or 5332 with clubs - 2 is inv+)
2-3 (min with 3 heards - 3 is GF with clubs)
3-3 (cuebids)
3NT- 4 (3NT shows 4333, can be final contract - 4 is cuebid)
4-4NT (I know about AK in heards - 4NT is allum)
5-6 (2A+Q - Dorosewitz)
6-7NT (Q or AK in - final contract)

Every natural system has some convenctions.... :D
Sorry, my english is not perfect :(
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Posted 2004-November-04, 14:16

flytoox, on Oct 29 2004, 08:35 PM, said:

Dealer: North

North:
S: AXX
H: AKX
D: QXX
C: QJXX

South:
S: X
H: QJXX
D: AKX
C: AKTXX

It's quite straight forward if you play my system:
1N(good 14 to normal 17, balanced) 2C(stayman)
2D(denies 4 card major when minimum may have spade suit when maximum) 3S(short spades)
4C(natural) 4D(RKC)
5C(two KC with Q) 5D(K?)
5H(HK) 5N(DQ?)
7C(yes) 7NT( now you can count 5 clubs, 3 diamonds, 4 hearts and SA)
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Posted 2004-November-15, 01:57

why do we worry about such things? this isnt where matches are won and lost.
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Posted 2004-November-15, 05:08

Jlall, on Nov 15 2004, 07:57 AM, said:

why do we worry about such things? this isnt where matches are won and lost.

No, it can be. This is not a hand I made, it was a hand I played on BBO.
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Posted 2004-November-15, 12:07

N: Axx AKx Qxx QJxx
S: x QJxx AKx AKxxx

This is a possible auction, if 2C followed by 3m is forcing. Some play this sequence as weak.

1N 2C
2D 3C
3H 4C
4N 5C
5H 5S
6D 7N

2C = stayman
3C = 5+c/4M, GF
3H = q-bid accepting clubs
4C = RKC for clubs
4N = 2 with QC
5C = specific king ask (cannot be signoff)
5H = KH, no KD
At this point, responder can count 1s+4h+2d+5c=12
5S = Anything else, like KS?
6D = No KS, but have QD. Can't be KD because 5H denied KD. Bypassing 6C is a chancy bid. Opener guesses that responder is looking for 7N and hopes 6N is safe.
7N = that'll do

I don't think u can get to 7N safely unless 4C is RKC.
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Posted 2004-November-15, 13:29

It was most definately a BBO hand, played on October 29th in the main bridge room. Fly did ok, reaching 6 by a very simple auction

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IMP-43      shirleyai   Dlr: East 
Board             S A62       Vul: N-S
                    H AKT      
marmotte30    D Q75        dimitarhg  
S Q874          C QJ83       S KJ953    
H 8764                          H 53       
D 983            flytoox       D J642     
C 92              S T           C 65    
                    H QJ92     
                    D AKT      
                    C AKT74    

North    East     South    West    
marmotte30shirleyaidimitarhgflytoox 
           1NT      Pass     2C      
Pass      2D       Pass     6C      
Pass      Pass     Pass    

Opening lead: C9    Result: Made 7
Score: 940          Points: 1.20 

1  North  C9

=======================================
  # Contr   Ld  Decl     Tr  Score   Pts
=======================================
  1 5D    E H5  XXXXXXXX 12   420  -9.93         
  2 5C    E D2  XXXXXXXX 13   440  -9.20         
  3 4H    E H5  XXXXXXXX 13   510  -8.33         
  4 3N    W S8  XXXXXXXX 13   520  -8.00         
  5 6C    W C9  flytoox  13   940   1.20         
  6 6C    E C6  XXXXXXX  13   940   1.20         
  7 6C    W S4  XXXXXXXX 13   940   1.20         
  8 6C    W C9  XXXXXXXX 13  940   1.20         
  9 6C    W S4  xxxxxxx  13   940   1.20         
10 6N    E SJ  xxxxxxxxx13  1020   2.93         
11 6N    E H5  xxxxxx   13  1020   2.93         
12 6N    E S5  xxxxxxx  13  1020   2.93         
13 6N    E S9  xxxxxxxx 13  1020   2.93         
14 6N    E H3  xxxxxxx  13  1020   2.93         
15 6N    E D2  xxxxxxx  13  1020   2.93         
16 7N    E C6  xxxxxxxx 13  1520  11.87         


I think 1NT is best opening bid for north is 1NT (as I said before). I can't imagine any auction beginning 1NT with a natural and forcing 3C rebid going any different from...

1N 2C
2D 3C
3N<<<----- if 3 instead, that is not at this point promising club fit and cue, but rather worried about 3NT I would think (although it could be an advanced cue bid, which would be clarified later.... however. East will not stop at 3NT of course, and I think 4 or 4 here by agreement is ace asking.

7NT isn't too magic, imagine 4 now as minorwood...

1N 2C
2D 3C
3N 4C <== 4C = minorwood
4N 5D <-- 4NT = 2 keys with Club Q, 5D = specific kings
5H 5S <-- anymore
6D 7N <-- with a second king after 5S, just bid grand slam, 6D is queen of D.
Pass

Maybe a little deep, but at least possible... finding queen in unbid minor is tough, but over 3NT you arlready suspect partner has queen, else how bid 3NT over 3, so you might just bid 7NT anyway (even has exellent good play if partner is Axx AKx Qxxxx Qx)
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Posted 2004-November-15, 14:02

flytoox, what i mean is if you get to 6C or 6N on this board and dont drop anything on any other boards, you will win almost every single time
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  Posted 2004-November-17, 22:11

flytoox, on Oct 29 2004, 03:35 PM, said:

Dealer: North

North:
S: AXX
H: AKX
D: QXX
C: QJXX

South:
S: X
H: QJXX
D: AKX
C: AKTXX

The natrual bid sequence may be:
1NT 2C(Stayman)
2NT 4C/4NT(ace asking which is at play)
Continue 5C/5NT(king asking)
Continue 7NT(possible minor fit & total HCPs)

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