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settle the argument

Poll: settle the argument (24 member(s) have cast votes)

Who should bid game?

  1. Opener should blast after a constructive raise (2 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  2. Responder should go when he knows his hand is working (19 votes [79.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 79.17%

  3. Both should go (3 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. Both made reasonable decisions (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   straube 

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Posted 2012-February-25, 11:18

AT QJ9xx x AQxxx vs Qxx ATx J9xx Kxx

1H-2H 5H and 10-15, constructive raise
3C-3H diamond shortness, sign off
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Posted 2012-February-25, 11:56

Responder's hand is a very obvious game bid. He has a full ten points with only a jack wasted in diamonds.

Opener's hand is close I think, between game try and blasting. Game try is reasonable though.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 12:21

Imo game try is enough with opener's hand.
Responder went crazy.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 13:14

Responder should always bid game opposite diamond shortness with those working values. While I see a lot of people blasting with opener's hand, I don't mind a short suit game try, as long as partner knows what to do opposite a short suit game try. Here, obviously, he did not.
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Posted 2012-February-25, 17:01

This is a joke, right?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-February-25, 17:32

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Posted 2012-February-25, 20:39

Responder's sign off escapes me. What was he thinking if any ?

If thats a teamgame or imps, i would blast the game with opener's hand without giving too much info and road map. Having not done so, why would i bid game now and accept my own invitation ?
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Posted 2012-February-27, 11:59

View PostMrAce, on 2012-February-25, 20:39, said:

Responder's sign off escapes me. What was he thinking if any ?

If thats a teamgame or imps, i would blast the game with opener's hand without giving too much info and road map. Having not done so, why would i bid game now and accept my own invitation ?


It does say in the OP that the raises are 10-15. Which seems bizarre as I would GF on most 12's with a fit, but if thats the agreement responded looks min to me. OTOH, opposite a 10-15 with opener I cannot imagine not wanting to be in game.

Admittedly 10-15 is not what I would usually call a constructive raise.....



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Posted 2012-February-27, 12:43

I think opener should blast. Responder should just admit that he forgot their system.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 12:50

I will continue with the piling on. Responder's hand is the prototypical acceptance of a short suit game try - virtually all of his values are outside of partner's short suit. If someone were giving a class on short suit game tries this would be the acceptance hand.

The preceding paragraph is based on the assumption that the short suit game try is showing diamond shortness. I just find the auction hard to believe if that is true.

[Edited after clarification of the values shown by the single raise.]
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Posted 2012-February-27, 13:58

View Postphil_20686, on 2012-February-27, 11:59, said:

It does say in the OP that the raises are 10-15. Which seems bizarre as I would GF on most 12's with a fit, but if thats the agreement responded looks min to me. OTOH, opposite a 10-15 with opener I cannot imagine not wanting to be in game.

Admittedly 10-15 is not what I would usually call a constructive raise.....


10-15 and 5 hearts refers to the 1H opening. Our constructive raise starts at 8 or 9.
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