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#1 User is offline   dwar0123 

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Posted 2012-January-15, 00:51



What would your call be and why?
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Posted 2012-January-15, 04:01

3H. Why? I do have a decent 7 card suit after all. I don't see why this hand is even posted as a problem, to be honest, unless you think 3H is not forcing. It is for me.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 08:42

I'd go 4H
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Posted 2012-January-15, 10:58

Me too. I don't see how 3H can be superior. Even if LHO bids 5C now, we have an easy dbl.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:48

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-15, 10:58, said:

Me too. I don't see how 3H can be superior. Even if LHO bids 5C now, we have an easy dbl.


3H will be superior if we reach an easy slam?
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:49

FWIW I would bid 4C which I think more clearly indicates that I have s slam try in hearts with short clubs, bidding 3H could be looking for 3N etc. Also, this will help partner judge if they do bid 5C.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:50

~6.5 losers vs an expected 5 cover cards across.. I doubt slam is good.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 14:59

I don't know what losers are but doesn't that imply Qx of diamonds is the same as xx diamonds? "I doubt slam is good" seems pretty presumptuous, I would bet on slam being good if partner drove there over 4C and we had the right amount of keycards but maybe not. A problem with our hand is that partner will love a holding like AQx of hearts when really that is not so great, so a hand like KJx AQx AT9x Axx partner will probably drive and slam will be very bad. But this is a pretty specific layout, where our DQ is a useless card. If you change it to something like Ax AQx AKxxx xxx slam is great. Or Kx AQx AJTxx Axx at least we are on a probably winning finesse.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 15:02

Well, I dunno. Maybe you're right. I'm just not sure we can sort all this out with certainty.

Also, if we bid 4H maybe LHO is more likely to be quiet.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 18:07

3 means = u might have slam in (%75) i would bid 4 ( i have an agreement about it sets as trump)

and also we can stop in 5 h
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Posted 2012-January-15, 18:53

4 looks about right to me.

I'll be interested in seeing what RHO holds. I'd expect clubs and diamonds.
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Posted 2012-January-15, 22:03

3 slow arrival, because we just might have a slam on. If pard bids 3NT, we bid 4, which should convey the message that we were too good for a shut out 4, yet have lots of , inviting further enquiries if they think their hand may be working well with ours. That we have shortness in is probably a given. It does allow LHO to bid 4, but I think we're always going to at least 5 if pushed.

Edit: if we had 2 small we would probably jump to 4, so I think 3 followed by 4 has some implication that we have a stiff (or void)

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Posted 2012-January-15, 23:24

To the 4H bidders - would you not bid 4H even without the D Q? That card is huge.
After all, partner is advertising an 18-19 point hand here. It is not difficult to construct decent slam hands
Over partner's possible 3S I can bid 4D to show a D honour, (well, it does for me anyway).
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Posted 2012-January-16, 06:24

It's huge if pard has a strong suit there, which is hardly a lock.

But yeah, I guess if you run a sim slam will be good most of the time.
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Posted 2012-January-17, 03:12

Well here is the full deal. 5/6 of the tables were down in some number of hearts or nt, so kudos to those that wanted to be cautious, I was not among you.


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Posted 2012-January-17, 03:56

OOOOOPS... another victim of dreaded sayc and 2/1 "lack of bid for strong 2 type of hands" :)

The standard sayc and 2/1 solution with North's hand is a 3C rebid (I happen to totally disagree, but that's another story lol).
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Posted 2012-January-17, 09:58

View Postdwar0123, on 2012-January-17, 03:12, said:

Well here is the full deal. 5/6 of the tables were down in some number of hearts or nt, so kudos to those that wanted to be cautious, I was not among you.



We haven't seen it in awhile, but this is another hand for a "GGG" = Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget ( eventho he doesn't take credit for its origin. ) ....
2S!-jump over a 1H Response to show a variety of GF hands:

1D - 1H
2S! - 2NT! = ask for clarification
??
.. 3C! = ( other minor ) 2S was real = 4 cards , GF
.. 3D! = long suit; NO 4 cards , GF
.. 3H! = 3 cards , 5+, NO 4 cards , GF

After:
3D! - 3H = extra length
3NT - ?? I bet Responder would pass instead of bidding 4D

Soooo, not a good result either... since you said 3NT goes down.
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Edit: Auction still ends up in NT even with interference:

1D - ( p ) - 1H
2S! -( 3C ) - 3H
3NT

This post has been edited by TWO4BRIDGE: 2012-January-17, 15:10

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Posted 2012-January-17, 14:37

What's wrong with a 3D rebid? The North cards aren't a game force opposite one of my 1H responses.
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Posted 2012-January-17, 14:41

Really? You never respond with like... Jxx of diamonds?
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Posted 2012-January-17, 14:43

And that is probably the first sarcastic comment I've ever made to Frances :) I think it is really pessimistic to avoid 3N with that hand whatever partner has responded on. At least they are probably not leading a heart and even if they do they probably split since they didn't overcall 1H.
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