[luke warm]

i had a thought while looking over ben's hand of the week thread... why not post hands from there and see how they'd be bid in your favorite system with your favorite partner? the hard part is being objective (honest?), since the result is known... i'll start this off by posting the first 2 hands of the 1st week and showing how it should be bid by us

Scoring: IMP

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east dealt and passed, so

E-------S------W-------N
P-------1NT----P-------2C*
P--------2S-----P-------3S
P---------P------P

1NT=12-15
2C=invitational puppet
2S=5 spades
3S=your move pard
P=minimum hand, might be wrong but here it is

hand 2:

Scoring: IMP

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west dealt and passed, so:

W ----- N ----- E ----- S
P ------2H ----- P ---- 2NT
P ----- 3D ----- P ----- 3H
P ----- P ------ P

this is a tough hand, and kudos for passing 2NT ben... 2H shows 6 cards, 11-15 hcp... 2NT is ogust, but is not a game force... 3D shows bad hand (minimum), good suit (2 of top 3).. since opener shows 6 with A, Q, responder bids 3H... opener passes, rightly or wrongly... this is very hard, responder can hardly pass the 2H opening and can't bid spades (need 5 to bid a forcing new suit), tho 3D is possible

[inquiry]

Hand one, is very quick and "easy" for me...

1S 2H
2S 4D
4S Pass

1) 2over1 due to 27 ZAR support points... 13 distribution, 9 hcp, 3 control, 1 for Spade ACE.
2) 4D after game force, for me shows splinter, and no first or second round contol of clubs.
3) 4S with at least two club losers, what else?

I will be down one...


Hand two,

Well, it was my auction. A quick note.. thanks for saying my pass of 2NT deserved kudos, but I didn't pass 2NT, my partner did. And I don't think passing 2NT is anythign great. In fact, 3♥ over 2NT might be the suggested action. I BID THE invitational 2NT.. that, I think, is the hard bid on the auction.

Ben

[luke warm]

oops, so sorry... guess i misread... in any case, stopping worked out on a hand that seems very easy to bid game somewhere... this was hard for me because i am only *hoping* that's the way i bid it, but it'd be very easy to bid more

[jtfanclub]

Scoring: IMP

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1S 1NT (1NT=unlimited forcing)
2C 2S (2C=5 card suit and 11-poor 12 hcp).

Scoring: IMP

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1H 1NT (1NT=unlimited forcing)
2H P (2H=6 card suit and 11-poor 12 hcp).

Unlimited forcing NT responses to 1M rock.

[luke warm]

nice... it'd be hard to pass 2h tho, with a 14 count and prime heart honor... hope i could do it

[mike777]

1)
1nt=12-15
2h=sign off
p

or aggressive =
1nt
2c=nonforce stayman
2s
2nt (invite and may have hidden 5 card h suit)
p

2)
2h=11-16 one suited hearts
3d=5+ one round force
4d=minimum and 3D
p

[luke warm]

right, that looks much better ... responder's hand might not be worth an invitation... judgement

the diamond bid is probably correct... any bid will get you too high, but that happens

[jtfanclub]

luke warm, on Oct 16 2004, 05:08 PM, said:

nice... it'd be hard to pass 2h tho, with a 14 count and prime heart honor... hope i could do it

Where you gonna play it? After your partner tells you about his hand, the odds that you have even one club stop is pretty slim. If you do, it's likely also partner's only entry. Even if you were going to invite, what would you invite in? That's an awfully crappy diamond suit to be looking for a 25-26 hcp 5♦ contract.

[Flame]

Both hands should probebly land in game. In hand 2 after north open i will alwas be in game.
On hand one i have a way in my system to show 6-9 and singlon with 2nt then partner can ask for the sgl and when he hear i got a diamond sgl stay off game, but i think this north is a bit too good for 6-9 sgl (although this is exactly what he got).

[Gerben47]

First hand east has a weak 2 in diamonds, but assuming he passes this is not a weak 1NT opening bid with 5♠. Unlike after hearts, you don't have a rebid problem with spades. North makes a minisplinter and south bids game.

This hand is why I play transfer minisplinters. 3♣ shows a minisplinter in ♦ so they can't double and possibly find a save. My auction:

1♠ - 3♣ (mini in ♦) - 4♠

The game has a 39% chance to make on a ♣ lead and more on a different lead, good enough vuln. at IMPs.

Second hand:

1♥ - 2♦ (2/1 GF)
2♥ minimum - 2♠
3♦ ...

Now it's tough and will probably end in 4 in either red suit.

[Flame]

Gerben47, on Oct 17 2004, 08:37 AM, said:

1♠ - 3♣ (mini in ♦) - 4♠

I think south should excpet a mini in diamond with this hand.

[Antoine Fourrière]

Hand 1 is a good hand for my system:
1♣ 1♥
2♣ 2♦
2♥

1♣ 12-15 bal, 18+ bal or 15+ with clubs
1♥ 5+ cards, any strength
2♣ two-under raise shows 12-15 bal with a fit
2♦ retransfer (2♥ would be bal invitational, 2♠ some long-suit game try and 2N, 3♣ and 3♦ short-suit game tries)


Hand 2 isn't such a good hand for my system:
1♥ 2♦
3♣ 3♠
4♥

1♥ unbalanced, therefore a 2N rebid is artificial
3♣ 2N would be a transfer for clubs, so 3♣ is available to show a one-suiter
3♠ naturalish, since 3♦ and 3♥ would be non-forcing

[Flame]

Antoine Fourrière, on Oct 17 2004, 02:57 PM, said:

Hand 1 is a good hand for my system:
1♣ 1♥
2♣ 2♦
2♥

1♣ 12-15 bal, 18+ bal or 15+ with clubs
1♥ 5+ cards, any strength
2♣ two-under raise shows 12-15 bal with a fit
2♦ retransfer (2♥ would be bal invitational, 2♠ some long-suit game try and 2N, 3♣ and 3♦ short-suit game tries)


Hand 2 isn't such a good hand for my system:
1♥ 2♦
3♣ 3♠
4♥

1♥ unbalanced, therefore a 2N rebid is artificial
3♣ 2N would be a transfer for clubs, so 3♣ is available to show a one-suiter
3♠ naturalish, since 3♦ and 3♥ would be non-forcing

How do you call this system ?
Is there any copy of it on the WEB ?

[Antoine Fourrière]

Quote

QUOTE (Antoine Fourrière @ Oct 17 2004, 02:57 PM)
Hand 1 is a good hand for my system:
1♣ 1♥
2♣ 2♦
2♥

1♣ 12-15 bal, 18+ bal or 15+ with clubs
1♥ 5+ cards, any strength
2♣ two-under raise shows 12-15 bal with a fit
2♦ retransfer (2♥ would be bal invitational, 2♠ some long-suit game try and 2N, 3♣ and 3♦ short-suit game tries)


Hand 2 isn't such a good hand for my system:
1♥ 2♦
3♣ 3♠
4♥

1♥ unbalanced, therefore a 2N rebid is artificial
3♣ 2N would be a transfer for clubs, so 3♣ is available to show a one-suiter
3♠ naturalish, since 3♦ and 3♥ would be non-forcing 


How do you call this system ?
Is there any copy of it on the WEB ?

Actually, it's a personal system derived from Polish Club, which I intend to call the Frencz Club. Only a brief description is available, on my profile and on this thread.

[the hog]

Unlimited forcing NT responses to 1M rock.

No they don't! They are a necessary evil brought about by playing a 2/1 style. And I say this from a position of strength as I play that 1N ranges from 4-16. To make them work effectively you need to play all sorts of machinations such as Bart or anti Bart which adds even more to system complexity. FAR better is to play a structure such as that played by Ben.

Ron

[jtfanclub]

The_Hog, on Oct 17 2004, 07:56 PM, said:

Unlimited forcing NT responses to 1M rock.

No they don't! They are a necessary evil brought about by playing a 2/1 style.

Actually, we play 2/1 NF. Because the 1M opening is so limited, responder doesn't need to describe his hand much on forcing auctions.

[mr1303]

Hand 1:

1S (limited to 15 HCP) 1NT (forcing)
2C 3S (3 card limit raise)
pass

Hand 2:

1H 2D (GF)
2H 2S
3D 3H (this usually promises 2 card support, but stiff K is usually sufficient)
4H

[1eyedjack]

Hand 2 I would bid the same as mr1303, and be pleased to be there when dummy hits. Less pleased after the smoke clears but would do the same next time and gain in the long term.

Hand 1:

1N (12-14) ...... 2C (Hearts or bal)
2H (min, <4H) ... P

and if the majors had broken somewhat worse, might have made only 8 tricks for a significant gain. Certainly don't want to be in game, although it might make on a good day.

[Free]

I wonder why nobody bids with the East hand in 1...

[MickyB]

Brilliant...I am mr1303's partner, and I would bid the hands the same as he did!

Vul at IMPs, the first hand should possibly be bid 1♠:4♠, but I think I'd probably show the limit raise at the table.