[han]

Scoring: IMP

How do you get to 6C?

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You must visit me to be eligible for the dinner. (and do the dishes)

[hrothgar]

Playing MOSCITO

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 1NT
2♣ - 2♠
2N - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 5♣
6♣

All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or another
Relay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape
4♣ = 4 slam points
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs
6♣ sets the contract

[Cascade]

2♣ 2♦* * waiting 2♥ negative is available
3♣ 3♦** ** Major enquiry
3NT 4NT Quantitative
6♣ Pass

This seems a reasonable unsophisticated auction.

[inquiry]

2♦ 3NT
4♣ 4♥
6♣ Pass

where,

• 2♦ = multi 2♦, either weak two major, bal 22-23, or acol 2 in either minor,
  
• 3NT = 4-4 in majors, ask partner to bid his major if weak two in major
  
• 4♣ = acol two in clubs
  
• 4♥ = cue bid, no diamond contol, slam try
  
• 6♣ end

Requirement for the acol minor part of this auction, is the ability to play this minor suit in slam opposite singelton, so north can make slam cue-bid try.

to read more about this treatment, which i play all the time, see chris rydal's webpage at.... http://www.cavendish...wo/diamonds.htm

Ben

[cherdano]

Ok, I'll give it a try.
2♣-2♦
3♣-3NT
4♣-4♥
4♠-5♦
6♣

2♦ waiting
3NT is rather discouraging, but implies a king or Ace, as it skips 3♦=double negative
4♣ still interested in slam, and sets the trump suit
4♥ cue
4♠ last train
5♦ cue bid the queen (having denied the Ace or king previously)

See you in November
Arend

[jtfanclub]

Sorry, but I don't get dinner...I get to 6NT instead.

Which IMO is worth it. They may not lead spades, if they do lead spades they may play the K when I play the J on the first trick...admittedly in IMPs it's better to find the sure 6♣ bid, and my methods are primarily designed for MPs, but I think the difference in this one is small enough not to worry about.

If my partner responds 1♠ to my Precision 1♣ opening, which is reasonable with 4441, then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not.

[inquiry]

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 09:38 PM, said:

then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not.

I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade....

yummy yummy

[jtfanclub]

inquiry, on Oct 19 2004, 08:50 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 09:38 PM, said:

then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not.

I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade....

yummy yummy

Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time?

The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT.
Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract.

[Flame]

I stayed at 3nt, but was lucky since clubs dont break.
I no idea how to bid it, and since it was mp i figured 3nt will beat all those who will play 5c and has achance to give good score.
anyway the key is the Q of diamond and i am not sure anyone here can learn about this card.

[Flame]

There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.
dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.
1C-1D
4H* - kickback for diamond.
Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam.

[inquiry]

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 10:00 PM, said:

inquiry, on Oct 19 2004, 08:50 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 09:38 PM, said:

then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not.

I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade....

yummy yummy

Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time?

The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT.
Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract.

most frequently find the lead in their longest suit, which is spades. Opponents frequently lead through dummies suit, which is spades. And bidding a shaky 6NT versus a solid 6♣ deserves a spade lead.... esepcially since the problem as posed was imps....

As for peaking, no need... on an auction where south jumps to 2nt (balanced 18-19), then over-rides his parnters signoff in by bidding 6NT all is revealed.. south has souce of many tricks in clubs and is well prepared for red suit lead. Again poiting at a spade... you flashed it like a HUGE neon sign.

Ben

[jtfanclub]

inquiry, on Oct 19 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 10:00 PM, said:

inquiry, on Oct 19 2004, 08:50 PM, said:

jtfanclub, on Oct 19 2004, 09:38 PM, said:

then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not.

I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade....

yummy yummy

Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time?

The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT.
Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract.

most frequently find the lead in their longest suit, which is spades. Opponents frequently lead through dummies suit, which is spades. And bidding a shaky 6NT versus a solid 6♣ deserves a spade lead.... esepcially since the problem as posed was imps....

As for peaking, no need... on an auction where south jumps to 2nt (balanced 18-19), then over-rides his parnters signoff in by bidding 6NT all is revealed.. south has souce of many tricks in clubs and is well prepared for red suit lead. Again poiting at a spade... you flashed it like a HUGE neon sign.

Ben

Sorry, this is precision...
1C showed 16+, nothing about clubs.
1S showed 8+, normally 5 card suit, may be 4441.
2NT showed 20+, denies 4 hearts.
3NT showed 8-9

No reason to think we don't have our bid.

And if I have...
♠ A6
♥ A63
♦ KJ
♣ AKQJ52

Which is actually more likely given the auction, you just gave me the contract.

[Flame]

Passive leads against slam is a losing tactic, it is rare to sell exactly the 12th trick.
even with the change you made 6nt will make most of the times on any lead.

[luke warm]

whether it makes or not, why risk it playing imps? in the long run that seems to be a losing strategy

[Chamaco]

Flame, on Oct 20 2004, 02:09 AM, said:

There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.
dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.
1C-1D
4H* - kickback for diamond.
Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam.

only problem of this auction is that if you play RKCB (kickback or not), 6 of a non-trump suit is SSA = Specific Suit Ask = a control asking bid looking for a Grand.

So if you "agree" diamonds to find the queen, you may be unable to stop in 6 Clubs, and you'll have to play 6 or 7 diamonds.

E.g.
4H (kickback for diams)-4NT (1/4 keycards or 0/3 if playing 1430)
5C(Q ask)- 5D ( no queen)
?

Now, if you bid 6C it's Grand Slam Try asking for control in clubs

[MarceldB]

hrothgar, on Oct 20 2004, 12:04 AM, said:

Playing MOSCITO

All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or another
Relay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape
4♣ = 4 slam points
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Diamonds
6♣ sets the contract

So it could be K♠ too, and with a ♥ lead? Or even a ♠ lead and Axx♦?

I prefer to scan A or K firstly.

[Fluffy]

My auction:

1♣.....-1♦* (♥)
1♥*(3♥)-1♠* (relay, asking about 4♠ mainly).
2♦*(natural reverse)-3♦
3♠-3NT
4♣-4♥
4NT-5♦ (0-3)
6♣-.....

Ok, it could end in 6♦, but probably doesn´t.

[MarceldB]

knowing with a 3♣ bid by east in REGRESsion
a 4-4-4-1C with 4/6-9 points ( if 4p. then 1 Ace only, if 5p. then K+ any Q)
or a 5S-4-4-0C with 4/6-11 points (same)

3♥* - 3NT= 1CP (A=2,K=1)
4♣ - 4♥= K♥ no Q♥
4♠ - 5♦= Q♠+Q♦, no Q♣
6♣ - P

*Control Point asking -scanorder HSDC

[scoob]

2♠ - 2NT
3♣ - 3NT
4♦ - 4♠
6♣

2♠ strong in clubs
2NT 1 or 2 trump support; 1 or more controls
3♣ ace ask
3NT 0 aces
4♦ king ask
4♠ 1 king

within the structure of this relay sequence, opener could have asked about voids and/or queens as well as or instead of aces/kings, in whichever order suits their fancy.

3♦ rebid instead of 3♣, or 4NT after 4♠ to ask void; 5♦ after 4♠ to ask queens, etc.

[Free]

hrothgar, on Oct 19 2004, 11:04 PM, said:

Playing MOSCITO

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 1NT
2♣ - 2♠
2N - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 5♣
6♣

All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or another
Relay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape
4♣ = 4 slam points
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs
6♣ sets the contract

3♥ shows a 4-4-1-4 if I remember correctly, so it should be 3♠...