[hrothgar]

Free, on Oct 20 2004, 03:49 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Oct 19 2004, 11:04 PM, said:

Playing MOSCITO

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 1NT
2♣ - 2♠
2N - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 5♣
6♣

All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or another
Relay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape
4♣ = 4 slam points
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs
6♣ sets the contract

3♥ shows a 4-4-1-4 if I remember correctly, so it should be 3♠...

Miscounteed. Free is correct. Up things by a step...

[Flame]

Chamaco, on Oct 20 2004, 05:38 AM, said:

Flame, on Oct 20 2004, 02:09 AM, said:

There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.
dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.
1C-1D
4H* - kickback for diamond.
Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam.

only problem of this auction is that if you play RKCB (kickback or not), 6 of a non-trump suit is SSA = Specific Suit Ask = a control asking bid looking for a Grand.

So if you "agree" diamonds to find the queen, you may be unable to stop in 6 Clubs, and you'll have to play 6 or 7 diamonds.

E.g.
4H (kickback for diams)-4NT (1/4 keycards or 0/3 if playing 1430)
5C(Q ask)- 5D ( no queen)
?

Now, if you bid 6C it's Grand Slam Try asking for control in clubs

I found that it helps alot to be flexiable about your trump in rkcb auctions, this need to ask about a Q and sometimes the K of a suit and still play in another trump is much more common then special grand slam bids.
I agree that there might still be a problem, just ment to show the idea.

[the hog]

♠ QJ72
♥ K954
♦ Q1072
♣ 4

♠ A
♥ A63
♦ KJ4
♣ AKQJ52

How do you get to 6C?
Playing Polish C
1C 1H Pos, 4+H
2D 2H 4H exactly, weak
2S 2N flat or 3 suited
3C 4C 4441
4H 4S KC in H, 1KC
4N 5C Any Ks, No
6C To play

2D was Odwrotka, and all other bids by opener are relays. I will bring a '75 Chateau Montrose. Whats for dinner?

Ron

[inquiry]

The_Hog, on Oct 20 2004, 09:45 AM, said:

I will bring a '75 Chateau Montrose. Whats for dinner?

I don't know, I will let you know after I enjoy it. See...

My easily winning auction

[the hog]

If he invites the both of us, I'll bring a '75 Mouton Rothchild as well.

[helene_t]

I have no way of asking for the ten of diamonds. So I get to 3NT.

[inquiry]

helene_t, on Oct 20 2004, 10:08 AM, said:

I have no way of asking for the ten of diamonds. So I get to 3NT.

Remove teh diaamond Ten I would still want to be in 6clubs...

Diamonds might be 3-3, spade king might be onside. With heart, spade and diamond theats, May have a squeeze. With 11 tricks, only one quick loser, and without mirror distributions, I favor my chances in slam....besides, how else can you try for hands of the week, if you don't press the limits... what fun is virutally laydown slams.

[Flame]

inquiry, on Oct 20 2004, 09:56 AM, said:

helene_t, on Oct 20 2004, 10:08 AM, said:

I have no way of asking for the ten of diamonds. So I get to 3NT.

Remove teh diaamond Ten I would still want to be in 6clubs...

Diamonds might be 3-3, spade king might be onside. With heart, spade and diamond theats, May have a squeeze. With 11 tricks, only one quick loser, and without mirror distributions, I favor my chances in slam....besides, how else can you try for hands of the week, if you don't press the limits... what fun is virutally laydown slams.

What about the Q of diamond ? can you give her up too ? I'll give you the K of spade instead.

[inquiry]

Flame, on Oct 20 2004, 12:01 PM, said:

What about the Q of diamond ? can you give her up too ? I'll give you the K of spade instead.

6C, 2H, 4S would be 12 tricks... swap diamond Queen for Sapde king.. dummy is now...

KQJx
Kxxx
Txxx
x

[Flame]

yes not exactly what i ment.

[Antoine Fourrière]

My auction:

2♦ 2♥
3♣ 3♦
3N 4♥
6♣

2♦ either 11-15 with short diamonds or an unbalanced game force
2♥ 0-10, to play opposite the former (only 2♥ and 2♠ are available with less than 5 HCP)
3♣ game force in clubs
3♦ denies five hearts (3♥), five good diamonds (3♠), distributional club support (4♣) or a second negative (3N)
3N no four-card major, nonforcing
4♥ positive with heart internal strength, preferably the King, but maybe AQ or QJ
6♣ to play

If I should decide to treat South's hand as balanced (I don't see why, because I'm not interested in responder's pattern), the auction would go

1♣ 1♦
1♥ 1N
2♦ 2♥
2♠ 3♦
3N 4♥
6♣

1♣ 12-15 balanced or 18+ balanced or 15-21 with clubs
1♦ no five-card major, not 5-10HCP with four hearts and less than four spades
1♥ balanced, 12-15 without four spades or 22+
1N 0-10 with four hearts, so promises four spades if 5-10
2♦ 24+ (2♣ would be 22-23 and 2♥ 12-15 with a fit)
2♥ 0-10 with both four-card majors
2♠ relay
3♦ four diamonds
3N to play
4♥ positive noise
6♣ to play

[junyi_zhu]

Hannie, on Oct 19 2004, 09:55 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

How do you get to 6C?

---

You must visit me to be eligible for the dinner. (and do the dishes)

It's rather simple.
2C 2D(gameforcing waiting)
3C 3N
4C 4H(denies D stopper)
4S(cue) 5D(DQ)
6C.

[keylime]

♠ QJ72
♥ K954
♦ Q1072
♣ 4


♠ A
♥ A63
♦ KJ4
♣ AKQJ52


This is very automatic in KLP:

1♣(forcing, good 15+) - 2NT (4-by-1, less than 15)
3♣(what's the stiff?) - 3♠ (club stiff (transfer splinter))
4♣(sets trumps, asks for controls) - 4♦ (0-1 controls)
4♥(which number is it?) - 4NT (one control)
5♦ (where is this control?) - 5♠ (it's in hearts pard, step two)
6♣ (thanks pard)

[MarceldB]

hrothgar, on Oct 20 2004, 03:08 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 20 2004, 03:49 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Oct 19 2004, 11:04 PM, said:

Playing MOSCITO

1♣ - 1♥
1♠ - 1NT
2♣ - 2♠
2N - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 5♣
6♣

All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or another
Relay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape
4♣ = 4 slam points
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs
6♣ sets the contract

3♥ shows a 4-4-1-4 if I remember correctly, so it should be 3♠...

Miscounteed. Free is correct. Up things by a step...

Just for the sake of good order.

Up things by 2 steps I suppose ?

[luke warm]

ours is kinda like dwayne's, but cheaper... i can't finish the auction, because i frankly don't know the system well enough, but this part is easy

1c : 1d - s.a.f. : 0-2 controls
2c : 2h - 21+, asks how many : 1 control

and now i'm not sure, because i see what appears to be ambiguity and i haven't had a chance to discuss it... if it was just me, i'd continue

4c : 4d - sets trumps, trump ogust : no honor (duh)
4h : 4nt - 2nd round
6c - now knows about the ♥K

there might be a quicker way to learn where the king is, but i haven't found it...

[MarceldB]

MarceldB, on Oct 20 2004, 02:32 PM, said:

*Control Point asking -scanorder HSDC

Hi all,

I think, specially in a thread like "best auction?", "how to bid a difficult hand?" - and very often asked in a slem region -, there is an ideal hand.
To avoid in f.e. using more sophisticated slemtools, which will indeed work for thàt hand, to see the positive side of that auction only, to mention shortly in a postscript that you can handle it with a disappointing answer too (or not) or if you can stay indeed on a safe level by investigating furtheron without taking too much risk.

In this way for comparison reasons you will get a more honest view.

Just a suggestion.....

Regards,
Marcel

[han]

Errr, honestly, I have no idea which auction is best, I liked reading all of them. I think that the standard american auction 2C-2D-3C-3NT-4C.. is not so clear, opener might pass 3NT (which is what happened at the table I was kibitzing).

Since I cannot judge who gets the prize: if you think your auction was best and visit Ann Arbor (Michigan, US) before the summer, let me know and I'll cook dinner for you. Of course, bringing good wine is appreciated.

Han

[cherdano]

Hannie, on Oct 22 2004, 07:07 PM, said:

Errr, honestly, I have no idea which auction is best, I liked reading all of them. I think that the standard american auction 2C-2D-3C-3NT-4C.. is not so clear, opener might pass 3NT (which is what happened at the table I was kibitzing).

I think for many, 2♣ is game forcing, unless responder bids cheapest minor as double negative in his second bid (in my partnership at least).

I have mild doubt about some of the auctions, as they would also end up in 6♣ opposite xxxx Kxxx xxxx x (add a queen in spades if you like). I would certainly be there opposite Kxxx(x) Kxx(x) xxxx x, but I can live with that.