Break-off poll from an earlier discussion. How strong is this hand?
#1
Posted 2004-October-16, 18:09
Playing your preference of 2/1 or SAYC, unfamiliar but decent partner.
QJ7
J87
Q975
864
Your partner opens 1♣. Would you pass or bid?
Your partner opens 2NT, defined as a good 19-bad 21. Would you pass or bid?
You already know my answer. Back in the days when people passed balanced 13 counts and played 21-22 2NT openings, this was a clear bid. Nowadays when 2NT gets opened with decent 19s and 1C gets opened on balanced 12 counts, this isn't worth a response. If you do respond 1NT to 1C with this hand, are you going to jump to 2NT if the 8♥ got turned into the ace?
#2
Posted 2004-October-16, 18:25
Peter
#3
Posted 2004-October-16, 18:51
Freiherr von der Steiermark.
Minnesaenger
#4
Posted 2004-October-16, 18:54
#5
Posted 2004-October-17, 00:13
2)Bid 3nt with no real hope.
#6
Posted 2004-October-17, 01:54
As Peter said the second is a toss-up. In IMPs I would bid for sure. In MP I guess I would pass.
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#7
Posted 2004-October-17, 04:26
2. 3 nt in imp pass at mp
kenneth
foole me twice, shame on me....!!
#8
Posted 2004-October-17, 05:01
I'd probably raise a 2NT contract to 3NT: The costs of raising are much smaller and the benefits of reaching game much higher...
1. 2NT is a miserable contract. Most of the time that 2NT makes, three will make as well
2. Partner has limited his hand, s there is no danger that he will make a strong bid
3. You need to bid your games
#9
Posted 2004-October-17, 07:22
When you respongo to a level 1 opening you mean you are able to play game opposite a 19 balanced hand, it is not the kind of hand you are gonna play game ther, but it is a hand that would liek a game opposite a 21 balanced instead.
#10
Posted 2004-October-17, 08:01
more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c
#11
Posted 2004-October-17, 09:26
#12
Posted 2004-October-17, 10:44
To 2NT: I would definately pass. You have 4-3-3-3 distribution, all Queens and Jacks and no long suit.
Partner could hold:
♠AKx
♥Qxx
♦Axxx
♣AQx
This is just one of the thousands of examples of poor 18-20 counts your partner could hold.
You win 3 spades, 1 heart (if that), 3 diamonds (if that) and maybe 2 clubs. So with the opps having PERFECT holding, you could make 9 tricks. The other 98% of the time, you will go down. Worth it?
#13
Posted 2004-October-17, 11:05
jdulmage, on Oct 17 2004, 07:44 PM, said:
Partner could hold:
♠AKx
♥Qxx
♦Axxx
♣AQx
This is just one of the thousands of examples of poor 18-20 counts your partner could hold.
You win 3 spades, 1 heart (if that), 3 diamonds (if that) and maybe 2 clubs. So with the opps having PERFECT holding, you could make 9 tricks. The other 98% of the time, you will go down. Worth it?
I BELIEVE that the question is what you do after partner's 2NT opening:
I'd be very surprised if partner tabled an 18 count...
#14
Posted 2004-October-17, 11:06
If it's opening, then yeah, I would be bidding it up to 3NT.
#15
Posted 2004-October-17, 12:07
luke warm, on Oct 17 2004, 02:01 PM, said:
more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c
This is an old question, to me 2NT is game forcing, given that is is game forcing I´ve put some of the strtong 1 suiters on the 2NT rebid as well, so 2NT rebid isn´t necesarilly balanced. But it is not the point, 2NT rebid by opener should be game forcing, is one of the basis of the 5 card major I know.
#16
Posted 2004-October-17, 13:04
if opener has a big hand with a strong one suiter, he might just as well bid 3nt as 2nt
#17
Posted 2004-October-17, 13:42
- hrothgar
#18
Posted 2004-October-17, 13:44
Pass over 1♣? Never, but I can understand some will pass. It's a bidder's game, so bid if you have half the deck. I won't be a good boy by bidding 1♦, I'll be a good bidder with 1NT.
#19
Posted 2004-October-18, 04:53
luke warm, on Oct 17 2004, 02:01 PM, said:
more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c
With good 19 P would have opend 2NT per definition of this system, so they are bad 19 and i can pass 2NT or the hand is not balanced.
If p had is not balanced my hand might be good enough for game.
#20
Posted 2004-October-18, 06:24
Free, on Oct 17 2004, 07:44 PM, said:
24 HCP is enough when you have 12 opposite 12.
20 opposite 6 makes less tricks than 12 opposite 12.