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Judgment 3h or 4h?

#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2011-December-02, 07:40

Your hand:
♠xx
♥KJ1098xx
♦Kx
♣Qx
Partner opened 1♦, you bid 1♥, partner rebid 1NT, you call?
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Posted 2011-December-02, 07:45

Invitational range seems clear.

If playing roudi I use roudi

If playing 2 way checkback I bid 2♣ and then over 2♦ not sure if 2♥ or 3♥, I think 3♥ better.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 08:08

3♥ invitational imo. (or whatever mechanism you use to invite). 4♥ is tempting but 7222 hands always seem to have one more loser than you expect.
If no one comes from the future to stop you from doing it then how bad a decision could it really be?
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Posted 2011-December-02, 08:18

7 losers calls for a FOUR HEART bid :)
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Posted 2011-December-02, 09:59

View PostFluffy, on 2011-December-02, 07:45, said:

Invitational range seems clear.



If playing 2 way checkback I bid 2♣ and then over 2♦ not sure if 2♥ or 3♥, I think 3♥ better.




Ditto, this looks closer to an adjusted 8 loser hand.

2c forcing 2d then jumping to 3h seems clear.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 10:07

What form of scoring? What is vul situation?

MP invite is fine.

IMP 4♥ if vul. NV......I know I should invite but I need less than 50% but I agree that 7222 always is worse than expected.....so I check the phase of moon, consult the ceiling, flip a coin and then guess leaning toward 3♥.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 17:21

View Postthe_dude, on 2011-December-02, 08:08, said:

3♥ invitational imo. (or whatever mechanism you use to invite). 4♥ is tempting but 7222 hands always seem to have one more loser than you expect.


4♥. Shortens the auction.

When you invite, there is no guarantee partner will go the the right hands.
1. ♠ xxx ♥ Q ♦ Axxx ♣ AKxxx
2. ♠ QJx ♥ xx ♦ AQJx ♣ KJTx
Would pard know which hand is worth a 4♥ call?

Do agree that hands with no singletons or voids are unlucky.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 17:32

View Postjogs, on 2011-December-02, 17:21, said:

4♥. Shortens the auction.

When you invite, there is no guarantee partner will go the the right hands.
1. ♠ xxx ♥ Q ♦ Axxx ♣ AKxxx
2. ♠ QJx ♥ xx ♦ AQJx ♣ KJTx
Would pard know which hand is worth a 4♥ call?

Do agree that hands with no singletons or voids are unlucky.




both examples are easy very easy 4h over an invite.

I only invite because opener could have much worse hands.
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Posted 2011-December-02, 19:19

Looks like a 4H bid. You can have good plays vs quite a few minimum hands:
for example: AKx xxx Axx xxxx


View Postcnszsun, on 2011-December-02, 07:40, said:

Your hand:
♠xx
♥KJ1098xx
♦Kx
♣Qx
Partner opened 1♦, you bid 1♥, partner rebid 1NT, you call?

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Posted 2011-December-03, 06:12

Jogs, if you invite and partner doesn't know to bid game holding ♥Q, ♦A and ♣AK you should look for a new partner.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-December-03, 15:17

Han, if you keep doing stuff like that, you'll run out of partner is 6 weeks time.
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Posted 2011-December-03, 20:36

View Posthan, on 2011-December-03, 06:12, said:

Jogs, if you invite and partner doesn't know to bid game holding ♥Q, ♦A and ♣AK you should look for a new partner.

LOL but true.
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Posted 2011-December-03, 23:45

Don't invite p to bid a game you should.

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