[helium]

Hi i was woundering how u would play thees suits if opps dint bid or give any information in def.



1. AJ43

K562 need 4 tricks


2. AQxx

xxxx need 3 tricks


3. K982


J765 need 3 tricks


4. AJxxx


xxx need 4 tricks





u have entrys to play for hand to dummy as u like on all hands

[inquiry]

I will not provide answers.. .but I will say we have the nice "onesuit" code that you can use for setting up problems like this... Using this, the first problem becomes...

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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, and so forth (others follow)...

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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[helium]

thx dint know that

[Fluffy]

This one look easy

Spoiler

..............1. K + finese the Q.

Do you really have any problem?

Spoiler

...2. A + finese the Q

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3. hope for AQ bare or Stiff Q at the left, playing low from south.

Regards, Fluffy

Spoiler

......4. small to the J.

[helium]

hehe i dont but we had a diskussion about it today and since we dissagreed so much i thought i should ask how u guys play it.
so please tell me how u play it.

[whereagles]

Well, ok.

1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split.
2. Finesse queen. No need to cash ace for the same reasons as above.
3. Run jack, hoping to pin the singleton 10 on the right. Alternatively, cash king on top, hoping to bring down singleton queen on the left and later run the 9.
4. Finesse jack first round. If West splits honors, take ace and lead towards jack.

[hrothgar]

whereagles, on Oct 13 2004, 03:26 PM, said:

Well, ok.

1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split.

Care to reconsider?

Partner will not be amused if the QUeen of Hearts is stiff and offside

[inquiry]

Well, for the most part, these should be in the intermediate thread, I think, they are well known except perhaps for number 3...

But ok, here are the answers....

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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1) Play King and low and hook the queen by playing the jack if WEST plays low. While it is true to win 4 tricks, a singleton queen does you no good, there is hardly any reason to cash the king first to avoid two losers. But as far as the requirement of winning four tricks, low to jack, cash king first, no HUGE difference. Bridge 101, beginner problem. However, cash the king first allows you to make 3 tricks when the queen is singleton off-side making it technically the superior play.

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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2) I only hope for 3-3 split when the finessee is off, since with a fourteen card suit, I can declarer a fouled board. Textbook is cash ace, come to hand, and lead towards the queen. This makes 3-tricks whenever WEST has Kx, Kxx in the suit. Cash ACE allows you to make 2 tricks when EAST has the stiff KING, so this play is superior even when you need 3 tricks.

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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3) Someone suggested low to the jack, that "basically" never works as you lose QUEEN and ACE.... The correct line seems to me to play low spade from hand and play WEST for AQ doubleton or Q singleton.

1. How to play if you need four tricks.

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4) Small to the jack (if west plays low).. You need to catch west with KQ or KQx to make four tricks in this suit.

Ben

[whereagles]

3. Ah yes, I forgot AQ doubleton.

West has AQ doubleton = 3,4%
West has Q singleton = 2,8%
East has 10 singleton = 2,8%

Best is then low from hand, covering West's queen. Finesse the 10 on the way back for a grand total of 6,2% chance

[helium]

sceptic, on Oct 13 2004, 07:39 AM, said:

I am extremely curiousHelium, you say you were disagreeing about how to play these.

I thought (misguidely I think) that suit combinations (with no info gained through the auction) were played by the percentages and there could be no arguement, the statistics were set in stone and that there is a best way to plan the play from the first card (I realise that when the opps lay cards down odds etc change and you have to be flexible in your thought pattern)

I just wanted your thoughts on my mind set

Thanks

Hehe well u know whow subburn som bridgeplaers are:) and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players.

ps this is a person that still is sure that its better to play on a 4-4 fit then a 5-4 fit. becouse this is what his fater told him, no matter what anyone says:)))

[inquiry]

helium, on Oct 13 2004, 10:58 AM, said:

sceptic, on Oct 13 2004, 07:39 AM, said:

I am extremely curiousHelium, you say you were disagreeing about how to play these.

I thought (misguidely I think) that suit combinations (with no info gained through the auction) were played by the percentages and there could be no arguement, the statistics were set in stone and that there is a best way to plan the play from the first card (I realise that when the opps lay cards down odds etc change and you have to be flexible in your thought pattern)

I just wanted your thoughts on my mind set

Thanks

Hehe well u know whow subburn som bridgeplaers are:) and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players.

ps this is a person that still is sure that its better to play on a 4-4 fit then a 5-4 fit. becouse this is what his fater told him, no matter what anyone says:)))

There is a lot of truth in what his father said.... But always is way too strong...

[Flame]

hrothgar, on Oct 13 2004, 07:52 AM, said:

whereagles, on Oct 13 2004, 03:26 PM, said:

Well, ok.

1. Finesse jack. No need to cash king first since you can't make 4 tricks on a 4-1 split.

Care to reconsider?

Partner will not be amused if the QUeen of Hearts is stiff and offside

The task was to take 4 tricks so single Q offside doesnt help.

[EricK]

On number 2, If AQxx is in dummy you can play a small card away from dummy towards hand, and then try to finesse the Q on the second round. This gives RHO an opportunity to go wrong with Kx.

Eric

[xx1943]

helium, on Oct 13 2004, 04:58 PM, said:

and i dont have the % for every combination so wen we diissagre i just ask more players.

Hi

perhaps you want to learn something about percentages

Suit-break-calculator
Missing-cards-calculator
How percentages change
How to calculate percentages

All these and many more useful links you can find here.

Cheers Al

[scoob]

great links, Al - thank you!