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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2011-September-24, 10:38



This was the last hand from Friday.

The opening lead is the K.

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Posted 2011-September-24, 11:29

View PostPhil, on 2011-September-24, 10:38, said:



This was the last hand from Friday.

The opening lead is the K.

PTP.


If clubs are 2-2, I have 10 tricks all day (5 clubs, 1 heart + 2ruffs, 2 spades). If clubs are 3-1, I'd like the chance to set up diamonds for a spade pitch. Trick 2 should be to lead a diamond. Now I have three entries to dummy to ruff out diamonds, and the spade king to enter later to cash it. The key will also be to *not* pull more than one round of trump. I'll lose control on 3-1 break in that case, and don't mind if they score two club tricks.
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Posted 2011-September-26, 08:55

Yes, WD Bunny. THe trap on the hand is ruffing hearts too early. The correct order of plays is:

1. A
2. K losing
3. Win K shift
4-7. Ruff 2 's and 2 's.
8. Play the 4th . At this point you are cold. Even if RHO follows and LHO overruffs, you are OK, since the 5th diamond is established which a spade goes on. At the table LHO actually had an odd double with a 2=4=4=3.

If you ruff hearts too early you can establish the diamond, but you can never reach it.
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Posted 2011-October-02, 01:46

View PostPhil, on 2011-September-26, 08:55, said:

Yes, WD Bunny. THe trap on the hand is ruffing hearts too early. The correct order of plays is:

1. A
2. K losing
3. Win K shift
4-7. Ruff 2 's and 2 's.
8. Play the 4th . At this point you are cold. Even if RHO follows and LHO overruffs, you are OK, since the 5th diamond is established which a spade goes on. At the table LHO actually had an odd double with a 2=4=4=3.

If you ruff hearts too early you can establish the diamond, but you can never reach it.

What if defense shifts to a when they win the A ? If you win in dummy, you can ruff 2 s and 2s ending in dummy. If you now try to ruff the 4th there're all kinds of complications. If you win the in hand trying to preserve a late entry to s after they're established you'll find yourself an entry short in establishing them.
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Posted 2011-October-02, 08:00

View Postsathyab, on 2011-October-02, 01:46, said:

What if defense shifts to a when they win the A ? If you win in dummy, you can ruff 2 s and 2s ending in dummy. If you now try to ruff the 4th there're all kinds of complications. If you win the in hand trying to preserve a late entry to s after they're established you'll find yourself an entry short in establishing them.


Its early, and my brain isnt completely engaged yet, but aren't you just transposing trick 3 (the club shift) with a late heart ruff or the spade to the board? What complications did you have in mind?
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Posted 2011-October-02, 10:58

View Postsathyab, on 2011-October-02, 01:46, said:

What if defense shifts to a when they win the A ? If you win in dummy, you can ruff 2 s and 2s ending in dummy. If you now try to ruff the 4th there're all kinds of complications. If you win the in hand trying to preserve a late entry to s after they're established you'll find yourself an entry short in establishing them.


After K win in hand, go to A, ruff , ruff , ruff another , ruff , ruff 3rd , suit is established and K still entry.
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Posted 2011-October-02, 11:31

View PostMrAce, on 2011-October-02, 10:58, said:

After K win in hand, go to A, ruff , ruff , ruff another , ruff , ruff 3rd , suit is established and K still entry.

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You're right, I had a blind spot that a switch removes one entry for ruffs, but it doesn't. It's the equivalent of defense switching to trumps which you can handle by winning in dummy.
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