[manudude03]

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What's your plan with this collection?

[whereagles]

Apply the strong opening.

[JLOGIC]

I would open 2C and rebid 2H and consider it a non problem

[Cyberyeti]

Would open 1♥, this hand has very poor trick taking potential opposite a complete bust and we tend to respond fairly light anyway.

Complicated by playing a 2-way 2♥ rebid over 2♣-2♦ not sure I want to bid 2♣-2♦-2♥-2♠-3♥ on an AQ7xxx, second choice 2♣-2♦-2N (22-23 for us).

If not playing Kokish or similar, and playing normal responses to 1-bids, I'm happier opening 2♣ and rebidding 2♥

[JLOGIC]

If you play kokish just bid 2C-2D-2H-2S-3N

[rbforster]

What about 1♥-something-3N? Isnt that ~20ish semibalanced with a 6 card major?

[aguahombre]

rbforster, on 2011-September-21, 08:21, said:

What about 1♥-something-3N? Isnt that ~20ish semibalanced with a 6 card major?

Only if "something" is 1NT (F or SF).

I might choose that path if I could be guaranteed pard would respond at all, and likely 1NT. Otherwise, I think the rebids would all suck.

[rbforster]

aguahombre, on 2011-September-21, 08:54, said:

Only if "something" is 1NT (F or SF).

I might choose that path if I could be guaranteed pard would respond at all, and likely 1NT. Otherwise, I think the rebids would all suck.

Would it be different after 1♥-1♠? Certainly P, 1♠,1N, and 2♥ are the only likely responses. I guess the real question is how often do you miss game opposite pass, vs getting too high otherwise. Playing a 2♥ double negative response to a strong 2♣ at least you could pass that and stay low if you catch partner with a bust (which argues for 2♣. Playing out of your hand you do have 5 losers or so.

[aguahombre]

rbforster, on 2011-September-21, 09:15, said:

Would it be different after 1♥-1♠?

It would be different for me; at the risk of going off-track, since 2C seems to be right:

1H-1S
3N= 1-6-3-3. Yes, the 6th heart; but pretty much solid hearts and primes in the minors.

(X AKQXXX AXX KXX)

[Phil]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-21, 07:25, said:

If you play kokish just bid 2C-2D-2H-2S-3N

I play this as 26-27 balanced.

[JLOGIC]

Phil, on 2011-September-21, 10:14, said:

I play this as 26-27 balanced.

Cool

[JLOGIC]

Phil, on 2011-September-21, 10:14, said:

I play this as 26-27 balanced.

In my partnership with Gib we open that 3N, to free up 2C 2D 2H 2S 3N as 6322 with 6 hearts and scattered values. It also stops retarded gambling 3N openers on xx xx xx AKQxxxx which is nice

[Cyberyeti]

JLOGIC, on 2011-September-21, 07:25, said:

If you play kokish just bid 2C-2D-2H-2S-3N

As the other poster we play G3N and this sequence as huge.

[VM1973]

I always open 2♣ when I have more quick tricks than losers. This hand certainly qualifies.

[Phil]

VM1973, on 2011-September-21, 14:37, said:

I always open 2♣ when I have more quick tricks than losers. This hand certainly qualifies.

AK AK Ax xxxxxxx?

[Cyberyeti]

VM1973, on 2011-September-21, 14:37, said:

I always open 2♣ when I have more quick tricks than losers. This hand certainly qualifies.

I think I understand what you mean (on non extreme distributions), but otherwise is x, AKxxx, void, AKxxxxx really a 2♣ opener, if so I hope you enjoy trying to bid it when the auction comes back at 5♦.

[semeai]

VM1973, on 2011-September-21, 14:37, said:

I always open 2♣ when I have more quick tricks than losers. This hand certainly qualifies.

Phil, on 2011-September-21, 20:58, said:

AK AK Ax xxxxxxx?

That's obviously a cheap shot. Isn't AK xx Ax AKxxxxx bad enough?

That said, counting quick tricks and losers seems like something nice to do when in doubt.

[JLOGIC]

semeai, on 2011-September-22, 08:09, said:

That's obviously a cheap shot. Isn't AK xx Ax AKxxxxx bad enough?

Are you implying that this is not a 2C opener?

[JLOGIC]

I don't get why people hate opening 2C so much. If you won't open 2C with a 1 suited hand that has 9 and a half tricks in its own hand and 5 quick tricks then I just don't get it. If partner drives to slam is that going to be bad? If we end up in game will that be bad? How on earth are you going to show such a great hand if you open 1C. Everyone seems to think it is super expert to not open 2C these days.

[Phil]

semeai, on 2011-September-22, 08:09, said:

That's obviously a cheap shot. Isn't AK xx Ax AKxxxxx bad enough?

That said, counting quick tricks and losers seems like something nice to do when in doubt.

Perhaps the lesson is the avoid the use of 'always' in a forum post. Always

I'd open your hand 2♣ too. Unless you play Sabine's gadget, good luck to you after 1♣ - 1♠....

Cyberyeti's 2 suiter is a much more compelling example of why VM's 'rule' is wrong.