[wyman]

Just curious what you guys play 4m as after:

1m (2M) 4m, as in 1D (2H) 4D.

We are simple folk mostly, and our meta-rules for mwood are: 4m=RKC if we've established a GF and agreed the minor (even as with a splinter, a 'superaccept', a positive response to a slam try in the minor [as in 1N-3D; 3M], or otherwise). 4m is never mwood if it is the bid agreeing m, even where 4m is forcing. So I'm wondering if this also should be mwood.

I don't really see what else one would use it for, so I figured I'd ask.

[gwnn]

distributional invite (like 6-card support and 7 points or something) is not a bad treatment I think...

[han]

This may be a shock to you but you could play it as invitational to 5m.

[wyman]

Fair enough han. It is a little shocking to me actually. I figured that most would cue with an invite, especially with a 6 or 7 card diamond suit, to keep 3N in play.

[aguahombre]

han, on 2011-September-12, 12:32, said:

This may be a shock to you but you could play it as invitational to 5m.

I think it depends on what 3H would have meant. If, in addition to OP's stated agreements 3H would be (for instance) just asking for a heart stop, then 4D probably needs to be mwood.

But, if 3H shows a big diamond fit, then 4D instead of 3H could be some type of mere diamond raise.

[han]

You are right that often you want to keep 3NT as an option. But if partner opens 1C, RHO bids 2H weak and you hold xx x AJ10x KJxxxx, maybe 4C isn't so bad. Certainly if the opponents bid 4H you'd be happy you had bid it.

By the way, most would play 1C - (2H) - 3H as gameforcing.

[wyman]

han, on 2011-September-12, 12:47, said:

By the way, most would play 1C - (2H) - 3H as gameforcing.

Interesting. I think by our agreements
1C (2H) 3H
4C
is NF, but that might be very suboptimal. (edit: i see that this could suck if opener has a balanced min with Kxx in hearts or something and has to bid 3N but you have some ratty invite.)

Also since AH asked, 3H (for us -- I am always open to bettering our agreements) is ostensibly a diamond raise, though opener's priority should be to show a heart stopper.

[Gerben42]

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[Yu18772]

Not sure how optimal it is, but in my regular partnership I would take it as slamish in m, in a random as invite to 5m.