BBO Discussion Forums: Test your cross ruff - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Test your cross ruff

#1 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2011-July-15, 22:36



Interesting hand from this evening's JEC match.

T1: Q, 8, A, 4
T2: J, ?

Plan your play.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
1

#2 User is offline   wclass___ 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 431
  • Joined: 2008-November-02

Posted 2011-July-16, 09:29

This is not really about crossruff, but about setting up a club or heart trick.

Start with

T2 A
T3 J-x-x-x
T4 A
T5 ruff
T6 ruff and watch what LHO plays on this turn.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..." --sathyab
1

#3 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,093
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2011-July-16, 09:31

This looks a lot more involved than a 'crossruff'.

Going to get some coffee and noodle this.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#4 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2011-July-16, 09:49

View Postwclass___, on 2011-July-16, 09:29, said:

This is not really about crossruff, but about setting up a club or heart trick.

Start with

T2 A
T3 J-x-x-x
T4 A
T5 ruff
T6 ruff and watch what LHO plays on this turn.

Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
1

#5 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2011-July-16, 09:54

View Postwclass___, on 2011-July-16, 09:29, said:

This is not really about crossruff, but about setting up a club or heart trick.

Start with

T2 A
T3 J-x-x-x
T4 A
T5 ruff
T6 ruff and watch what LHO plays on this turn.

Yes, there's more to it than cross ruff. I chose the title somewhat loosely rather than saying 'cross ruff/suit establishment'. BTW, depending on whether or not LHO covers the J, there may be variations which are closer to a pure cross-ruff than suit establishment.

At T6, LHO follows with the J.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
1

#6 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,093
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2011-July-16, 10:00

Some preliminary themes that should be considered are:

- crossruff
- suit establishment / partial trump drawing
- knockout squeeze (thats why I need my coffee)!
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#7 User is offline   wclass___ 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 431
  • Joined: 2008-November-02

Posted 2011-July-16, 11:36

View Postsathyab, on 2011-July-16, 09:54, said:

At T6, LHO follows with the J.


Well, it doesn't really matter what he discards, if he has Qxx you will be able to pull it home anyway.

This time you just ruff , if they are 4-3 you establish trick, if they are not 4-3, then you can establish (they are 3-3) or just ruff all of your in hand.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..." --sathyab
1

#8 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2011-July-16, 16:48

knockout squeeze? ok I stopped reading there :)
0

#9 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2011-July-19, 05:54

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-July-16, 16:48, said:

knockout squeeze? ok I stopped reading there :)

well d'uh, it was the end of his post... :P
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#10 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,093
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2011-July-19, 09:08

View PostFree, on 2011-July-19, 05:54, said:

well d'uh, it was the end of his post... :P


No KO squeeze I can see. I really do want to dig into this one, but there's too many permutations early on.

I'll start K, A, ruff, ruff, ruff.

Does RHO follow?
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#11 User is offline   sathyab 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 575
  • Joined: 2006-November-07

Posted 2011-July-20, 15:41

View Postwclass___, on 2011-July-16, 11:36, said:

Well, it doesn't really matter what he discards, if he has Qxx you will be able to pull it home anyway.

This time you just ruff , if they are 4-3 you establish trick, if they are not 4-3, then you can establish (they are 3-3) or just ruff all of your in hand.


Yes, your line will work. But I am curious, why did you choose J from your hand, which will require you to pull one more trump when LHO does not cover, rather than a to dummy's T ?
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..."
1

#12 User is offline   wclass___ 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 431
  • Joined: 2008-November-02

Posted 2011-July-21, 07:59

View Postsathyab, on 2011-July-20, 15:41, said:

Yes, your line will work. But I am curious, why did you choose J from your hand, which will require you to pull one more trump when LHO does not cover, rather than a to dummy's T ?



Other spot cards in dummy are weak and i am going to ruff some in hand. Here is one obvious situation:

you want to ruff high and finesse Q.
Seeking input from anyone who doesn't frequently "wtp", "Lol" or post to merely "Agree with ..." --sathyab
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users