[jules101]

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What's your plan?

And what do you do?

[Free]

2♠ michaels wtp?

[han]

I think 2S is awful, just like 2H. And double is worse.

[Free]

han, on 2011-July-07, 03:23, said:

I think 2S is awful, just like 2H. And double is worse.

Do you mean 2♥ is also awful, or that you just like 2♥?

Why do you hate 2♠ so much? Would you also hate it if you were in direct seat?

[Hanoi5]

2♥. And possibly diamonds later.

2♠ is Michael's only if we had already agreed upon it and we have AK tight in a side suit. Double seems like masterminding.

[han]

I mean that 2H and 2S are both awful and that all other options are worse.

[jules101]

Free, on 2011-July-07, 01:58, said:

2♠ michaels wtp?

I had feeling that cue bid in protect seat is GF, or certainly pretty close to it.

Not sure this hand qualifies?

[whereagles]

I think 2♠ is wtp and I bid that 110% of the time. Take that, han

[Free]

whereagles, on 2011-July-07, 05:47, said:

I bid that 110% of the time

You bid too much

[ArtK78]

I bid 2♥ and I don't see why this is a problem.

[whereagles]

Free, on 2011-July-07, 08:07, said:

You bid too much

Oh I doubt that. You should see my regular pard, ahah!

[JLOGIC]

2S>2H imo, I have hearts and a minor with 5-5 and quite a respectable hand, why is that horrible?

Also double is reasonable to me, if partner passes we have a great hand for that, and if he bids something 2H is not too big of an overbid (and maybe he will bid diamonds). Of course the problem is that LHO and RHO might bid and the auction could get out of control.

[xxhong]

Looks like a double. This hand defends quite well facing long spades and potential H ruffs. Over partner's 2C, I'd pass. Over 2D or 2H, I may raise. Of course, I may miss some 5-3 H fit, which isn't a big deal comparing with the possible gain of 1S x I think.
Of course, 2H is a second choice. It may be bad when partner holds little values and no H fit. However, if partner can bid more over 2H, it is actually not bad. 2S may get us to the right suit, but wrong levels.

[mtvesuvius]

2♠ isn't my favorite, but everything else is worse IMO. I usually don't bid michaels on these hands, but this seems like it will rarely work out badly.

[Phil]

I'm not a fan of 2♥, but I like it better than x.

2♠ might get us up too high, but it shows two suits which also helps partner evaluate, so I think its clear.

[VM1973]

Put me in the doubling camp. As mentioned, if partner passes, you're in good shape. 2♥ is too much of an underbid. Partner's likely to bid either 1NT or 2♣ and over that you can bid 2♥.

The problem with 2♠ is that your handle is in the middle. With Michaels should you either be very weak or game forcing. Your hand has 5 losers and you won't know if you've found a fit when partner responds so you won't know if you should bid on or just pass.

[AlexJonson]

Defence is good and the suits aren't, so I would double.

[mtvesuvius]

VM1973, on 2011-July-07, 14:48, said:

Put me in the doubling camp. As mentioned, if partner passes, you're in good shape. 2♥ is too much of an underbid. Partner's likely to bid either 1NT or 2♣ and over that you can bid 2♥.

The problem with 2♠ is that your handle is in the middle. With Michaels should you either be very weak or game forcing. Your hand has 5 losers and you won't know if you've found a fit when partner responds so you won't know if you should bid on or just pass.

How is 2♥ an underbid? Doubling and bidding on this hand is a HUGE overbid. I really don't like double, and it isn't like I am dying to defend 1♠x.

Your thoughts on 2♠ would be true if it were in direct seat, but if we were weak in balancing seat, we'd just pass (or overcall), not force to the 3 level. Regardless, IMO, Michaels shouldn't be made on "very weak" hands.

To be nige1 for a moment: 2♠=5, 2♥=4, X=2, P=2, 6♦=1

[han]

JLOGIC, on 2011-July-07, 09:30, said:

2S>2H imo, I have hearts and a minor with 5-5 and quite a respectable hand, why is that horrible?

Because you are forcing to the 3-level on ace-empty fifth, king-empty fifth and in my opinion the hand really isn't that good. If we find a good fit our hand will play well of course, but if we don't then it won't. I'm not saying I like 2H any better, we could play 2H in the 5-1 fit cold for a diamond slam.

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Also double is reasonable to me, if partner passes we have a great hand for that, and if he bids something 2H is not too big of an overbid (and maybe he will bid diamonds). Of course the problem is that LHO and RHO might bid and the auction could get out of control.

I'm not happy bidding 2H over 2C. I do consider this a big overbid, maybe I'm just not giving as much value to the hand as you are. If partner bids 2C and the opponents are silent we tend not to have a good fit, and I think the hand just isn't very good in that case. And yes, on some (but not all) auctions where the opponents bid again life might be difficult.

Of course I agree that if partner bids hearts or diamonds or shows strength, we'll be fine having doubled.

[FrancesHinden]

I don't know what the right call is, but I do know that the chance of the auction going

1S P P x
P 2C P ?

is basically zero.
(and if it does, the right action is definitely to pass 2C)