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#1 User is offline   mgoetze 

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Posted 2011-July-05, 12:13

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Your bid?
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Posted 2011-July-05, 12:29

Pass.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-July-05, 12:43

Passing is out of the question, although it could be the winning call.

Partner could be sitting there with a strong unbalanced hand with long clubs. You could be cold for game in any of three denominations.

I recognize that LHO could be the one with the strong hand and you could be rescuing the opps from a bad contract. But I will take that chance.

I bid 1♦. I do not double. Besides the fact that double is more than a bit silly with 74 in the red suits, I don't want to defend 1♣x in any event.

At this vulnerability, passing is only right if (1) you go plus defending 1♣ more than the value of your red suit or NT partial; (2) you go minus 100 and the opps cannot make 9 or more tricks in clubs; (3) you go minus 200 or more; or (4) the opps find a better contract and you can't do anything about it. The first three of these possibilities are pretty remote. The last one might happen, but it seems unlikely.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 13:05

1♦ seems fine, and my options are limited by style. 2♦ /1♣ in balancing chair would show about two more Aces than I have, double is unprepared, and pass seems silly. Also, 3D doesn't feel right with 3/4 of my HCP in another suit.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 14:16

Pass. The hand has close to no defense and opps seem to have a spade fit. If I had to bid, it would be 3♦ (regardless of what pard will make of it). A mere 2 won't be high enough to shut the spades.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 14:47

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Posted 2011-July-05, 16:49


mgoetze asked
IMP pairs. Your bid?

IMO Pass = 10, Diamond bids = 8.
If you protect and partner has
- 3♠ or fewer, then you may have some explaining to do.
- 4♠, then you may survive.
If partner has a fair hand with 5♠ or more, then he would already have bid.

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Posted 2011-July-05, 17:31

3♦.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 18:30

I would like to bid 2♦, but I need a better hand. That leaves 1 and 3♦, and pass.

Pass is safest for sure, but I don't think you win by playing safe if a reasonable alternative is available.

I'm going for 3♦
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Posted 2011-July-05, 18:53

What is 3♦ supposed to mean?

The reason I don't like entering the auction is mainly the possibility of hitting a misfit. Opponents seem to have spades and we won't be able to outbid them; however this might not be so bad since partner is likely to have 4 spades. Also 1♥ looks better than 1♦ if we're not gonna play the hand; but there's a 3-card difference between those suits and it may lead to misunderstandings.

I might regret not bidding because we're vulnerable but spades are such a menace that I prefer to pass and have my 'I'm sorry' ready.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-July-05, 19:02

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-July-05, 18:53, said:

What is 3♦ supposed to mean?



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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:35

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-July-05, 18:53, said:

What is 3♦ supposed to mean?


Most parterships don't have these bids defined, so 3♦ will be natural (by meta-rules). In theory...

- It's not weak/preemptive because you pass out 1♣ with a weak hand. Besides, since you can pass, you're not preempting anyone here.
- It's not strong (although you can define it as such) because strong hands, as in 15+, dbl first.
- It's not artificial because it's undiscussed and thus must be natural.

The only option left is, logically, natural with an intermediate hand. I.e. 10-14 or so with about 7 cards (with 6 you balance 2♦ only).
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:37

I couldn't decide between 1♦ and 3♦ and thus bid 2♦. Probably a bad method.



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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:40

Pretty normal bidding to me. In fact, you definitely outbid me :)
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Posted 2011-July-06, 06:53

2♦ in the 4th seat would have attracted 6♦ not 5 from me, to me it shows a strong jump overcall type hand x, AKQ, KQ98xx, Qxx is not far off par. Is this a normal interpretation ?

I'd have overcalled 1N with the W hand though.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 07:21

View Postmgoetze, on 2011-July-06, 06:37, said:

I couldn't decide between 1♦ and 3♦ and thus bid 2♦. Probably a bad method.

LOL, sometimes, after a 1NT opening I can't decide between 2♣ and 4♣. ;)

Why didn't West overcall 1NT?
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Posted 2011-July-06, 08:00

I would not overcall a NT on a bad average 15. I think its dangerous, especially are red vs green. And I can rely on my partner to balance with pretty much nothing :)
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Posted 2011-July-06, 08:25

View Postphil_20686, on 2011-July-06, 08:00, said:

And I can rely on my partner to balance with pretty much nothing :)

So can I, apparently :)
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Posted 2011-July-06, 08:41

View PostCyberyeti, on 2011-July-06, 06:53, said:

2♦ in the 4th seat would have attracted 6♦ not 5 from me, to me it shows a strong jump overcall type hand x, AKQ, KQ98xx, Qxx is not far off par. Is this a normal interpretation ?

This is normal to me, and pretty-much dates back to the mid 20th Century with no particular reason for it to have changed.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 08:44

View Postphil_20686, on 2011-July-06, 08:00, said:

I would not overcall a NT on a bad average 15. I think its dangerous, especially are red vs green. And I can rely on my partner to balance with pretty much nothing :)

Imo it's a good 15, not average.
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