[jillybean]

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Your bid.

[Hanoi5]

I'm sure 2♠ is the correct bid. I'd go for 2NT, especially playing in days with a full moon.

[Foxx]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-24, 17:38, said:

I'm sure 2♠ is the correct bid.

That would be my third, maybe even fourth choice. I prefer 2NT at matchpoints (3♣ at IMPs). 3♠ belongs somewhere in the mix, too.

[mike777]

easy 2s for me, would not think of any other choice.

Sometimes I am allowed to have a maximum.

[the hog]

This is an easy 3C bid.

[blackshoe]

How likely is game after this auction? If there's a good chance, I'd bid 3♣, but if it requires opener to have a magic hand, why not pass?

[mike777]

jillybean, on 2011-June-24, 17:22, said:

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Your bid.

fwiw I gave this hand to one of my pards.


He bid a "constructive 2s" over 1s, not 1nt, not wanting to deal with the follow up problem.
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must be a good problem we have many answers.

[semeai]

I bid 2♠, at least at matchpoints.

Caveat: I'm used to playing a convention called Bart here which allows a way to bid a weak and a constructive version of 2♠ after this auction, so I've been trained to get to 2♠ on 10 counts. I'm not sure how much this affects my thinking here.

Actually thinking: I'll open many 11 counts. I don't think it's winning matchpoint strategy to get to 2NT on 21 random points. The 7 card major fit is better than the possibly 7 card minor fit.

Probably I bid 2NT red at imps.

[the hog]

semeai, on 2011-June-25, 00:33, said:

I bid 2♠, at least at matchpoints.

Caveat: I'm used to playing a convention called Bart here which allows a way to bid a weak and a constructive version of 2♠ after this auction, so I've been trained to get to 2♠ on 10 counts. I'm not sure how much this affects my thinking here.

Actually thinking: I'll open many 11 counts. I don't think it's winning matchpoint strategy to get to 2NT on 21 random points. The 7 card major fit is better than the possibly 7 card minor fit.

Probably I bid 2NT red at imps.

This is a furphy. You only have a possible 7 card minor fit IF you play a forcing NT. If the op played that, I am sure she would have mentioned it. A three C bid allows opener to make numerous game tries, including showing a very good 6 card S suit with 3S, which of course you would accept.

[mike777]

3c is insane....pard can have 3clbs
2nt is insane you have ten hcp and pard can still have crap.
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granted many bid 2nt and 3c easy.....


2nt or 3c is easy if you think pard cannot have many/often 12=14 hands...I dont

I rebid 2s since pard can still have ......non gf
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OTOH if you guys expect pard to have a good hand often....we need to bid more;/.////

[SimonFa]

As we are always told, it depends on partnership agreements.

Based on ours, I've limited my hand, although it is a maximum. If partner had a flat hand (5333 etc) with 12-14 HCP he would pass and 18/19 HCP go to 3NT or maybe invite 2NT if he's cautious but unlikely with my regular partner.

Therefore he is unbalanced and I'm taking this as 5/4 or possibly 5/5 and just looking for somewhere to play. If he was still interested in game ie >16HCP I would expect a jump to 3♣. However if I pass ops may find a heart fit, unlikely but still a chance.

In our agreement we prefer to play a 4/4 fit rather than a 5/2 so on balance I'm going to 3♣knowing partner won't get too excited but giving him the option to go on if he's 15/16 HCP.

[the hog]

mike777, on 2011-June-25, 00:57, said:

3c is insane....pard can have 3clbs
2nt is insane you have ten hcp and pard can still have crap.
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granted many bid 2nt and 3c easy.....


2nt or 3c is easy if you think pard cannot have many/often 12=14 hands...I dont

I rebid 2s since pard can still have ......non gf
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OTOH if you guys expect pard to have a good hand often....we need to bid more;/.////

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Mike, partner CANNOT have 3C UNLESS 1NT is forcing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cherdano]

Does ANYONE play forcing 1NT by a passed hand?? Ok, I am sure some do, but we shouldn't assume dumb methods unless the OP mentions them.

I find this to be an obvious 3C bid, why hide my fit?

[sassan]

good question

[sassan]

Partner is unbalanced most of the times. She possibly holds 5(31)4 or even better distribution.
1NT in our first turn was a slight underbid and either red suit shortage can be helpful. 3♣
is worth a try, but maybe just personal preference.

[semeai]

the hog, on 2011-June-25, 00:46, said:

This is a furphy. You only have a possible 7 card minor fit IF you play a forcing NT. If the op played that, I am sure she would have mentioned it. A three C bid allows opener to make numerous game tries, including showing a very good 6 card S suit with 3S, which of course you would accept.

I always assume everyone plays the exact same thing as me, being from the US. Also, in jillybean's signature the number 21 appears, which I could have (but did not) mistaken for 2/1.

cherdano, on 2011-June-25, 05:16, said:

Does ANYONE play forcing 1NT by a passed hand?? Ok, I am sure some do, but we shouldn't assume dumb methods unless the OP mentions them.

I find this to be an obvious 3C bid, why hide my fit?

My arrogant approach also missed partner's first pass.

Fine, this is an obvious 3♣ bid, at any form of scoring.

[jillybean]

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Here's the full hand, 2♠ was an average board but obviously 3♣ is the better bid.
Perhaps the only way to get to game , nt or spades is if opener rebids 3♣

I'm playing 2/1 but since I was a passed hand didn't think it was relevant to the hand, you have the same problem
playing standard or 2/1.

[the hog]

semeai, on 2011-June-25, 06:17, said:

I always assume everyone plays the exact same thing as me, being from the US. Also, in jillybean's signature the number 21 appears, which I could have (but did not) mistaken for 2/1.



My arrogant approach also missed partner's first pass.

Fine, this is an obvious 3♣ bid, at any form of scoring.

Even in 2/1 many play the oxymoronic 1NT "semi forcing".

[nigel_k]

3♣.

If partner is balanced with a good 14 they can upgrade and open 1NT. With an average 13 or worse, they should pass the 1NT response. There are some in between hands where partner might need to bid a 3 card club suit but it's likely 2♣ is a real suit. Even if not, partner can bid 3NT and have some chance of making it.

[han]

jillybean, on 2011-June-25, 09:05, said:

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Here's the full hand, 2♠ was an average board but obviously 3♣ is the better bid.

It's not obvious to me and since you bid 2S it apparently wasn't obvious to you either. If partner passes 3C, 2S will often score better at matchpoints. Playing some version of BART I would definitely show the strong 2S raise.

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Perhaps the only way to get to game , nt or spades is if opener rebids 3♣

Opener rebids 3C? I hope not, perhaps you meant responder? You should never get to 3NT, opener should rebid 3H over 3C.