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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2011-June-20, 01:05



If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?
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Posted 2011-June-20, 04:49

The East hand does not have anything extra for a 2S advance to a direct-seat double.

IMO, it is subminimum for a 2S advance to partner's balancing seat double. (The xx by opener should not affect things in the same way that an xx by responder would have after a direct double.)

Pass would be a good idea now, for East.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 05:10

4♠. Values for doubler's partner should not change when doubler is in the pass-out position. Partner knows this, and he was also aware of the redouble, so hopefully he won't have wasted values in clubs.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-June-20, 05:13

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 05:31

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-June-20, 05:13, said:

LOL, so far Pass and 4♠, both of which seem quite bad imo. I like a nice quiet 1♠.

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 05:48


'rduran1216 asked....
If you decide to bid 2S partner will raise to 3, North will pass, and now what?

IMO...
Over the redouble, 1♠ = 10, 2♠ = 9, Pass = 0. I think Pass should be penalty :(
Over partner's raise to 3♠, Pass =10, 4♠ = 8, 2♠ = 4 :) .

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Posted 2011-June-20, 06:11

2♠ is not a pretty bid. I like 1♠ originally and now I think it's high time to pass.

We have an aceless ugly duckling over here. Game takes a lot from partner. This is the sort of hand where it makes sense to pass partner's single raise even if he opened 1♣ and we replied.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 06:24

you NV and partner is in balance position. 3♠ by pard, IMO, shows a more or less normal opening hand so I pass.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 06:26

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 09:51

View Posthan, on 2011-June-20, 06:26, said:

I'd also bid 1S the first time around.


I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 09:56

View PostPhil, on 2011-June-20, 09:51, said:

I think overcalling with this hand is quite unsound.

Humor, of course. Knowing Han meant after the double and redouble.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 10:12

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-June-20, 05:31, said:

It was pass after having already bid 2S and getting raised. Of course 1S was possible earlier, but that is past history.

Sorry, misread your post. In that case, I wholeheartedly agree :)
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Posted 2011-June-20, 12:12

There appears to be some disagreemnet with calls after the XX in the OP text. I.e. after (1♣) P (P) X; (XX) what do the following calls mean pass, 1♦, 1♥, 1♠, 1NT, 2♣,2♦, 2♥, 2♠, 2NT,3♣,3♦, 3♥, 3♠, 3NT

Here some possiblities for discussion; hopefully they will be at least good targets for the skeeters out there :)

call; meaning
pass; to play - this means the responder is playing "must save"
1♦; less than a constructive raise
1♥; less than a constructive raise
1♠; less than a constructive raise
1NT; feel that this should stronger than a norm 1NT as you could save with 1x
2♣; not sure beyond forcing
2♦; constructive raise
2♥; constructive raise
2♠; constructive raise
2NT; min opening hand not wanting to punish partner
3♣; stopper ask for 3NT
3♦; limit raise
3♥; limit raise
3♠; limit raise
3NT; prefers not to play 1CXX
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Posted 2011-June-20, 14:18

I also would have bid 1♠, but having bid 2♠ I would pass partner's raise.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 14:35

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-June-20, 15:38

I'd try 1♠ here. Over the rdbl, this sounds like a weak bid, but I'm going to take some action afterwards.
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Posted 2011-June-20, 15:38

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-June-20, 14:35, said:

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?


You add a queen, e.g.

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-10
jump in any new suit: 11-13
cue bid: 14+
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Posted 2011-June-23, 10:31

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-June-20, 15:38, said:

You add a queen
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It depends where in the world you are! In Britain you act as if a king less, in Germany it is ~4hcp less if my translation of Forum D articles is correct. In general (very roughly) the more you are playing power doubles the lesser the differential; the more shape doubles then the larger the differential. Of course the boundary for a jump response also varies a little bit by region so you need to take that into account too...
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Posted 2011-June-24, 05:05

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-June-20, 14:35, said:

So, values do change after a balancing double. If after a direct double:

any new suit at the lowest level: 0-8
jump in any new suit: 9-11
cue bid: 12+

How does it change after a balancing double?


Even after a direct seat double I wouldn't jump to 2S with that many 9-counts on balanced hands with only 4 spades.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-June-24, 05:19

I think 1S is ok and we can take some action later being maximum for 1S. Passing is an option, but 1S does shut out a possible H bid from my LHO.
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