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Decision time

Poll: Decision time (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

  2. Double (12 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

  3. 4S (20 votes [58.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.82%

  4. Other (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

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#1 User is online   paulg 

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Posted 2011-June-06, 16:32


One of the regular readers of my blog thinks that the rest of my audience has gone mad and wants to restore sanity to the situation. Of course, whether it is my audience's or his is yet to be determined.

What's your call? How strongly do you feel about your choice?
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Posted 2011-June-06, 16:38

IMO
4♠ = 10, Double = 9, 5♦ = 6, Pass = 5.

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Posted 2011-June-06, 17:14

If a takeout double is available, I do that. Otherwise I guess 4♠.

Now I'll go and read the blog.
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Posted 2011-June-06, 17:24

Dbl for take out. If pard passes that, it should be good. I hope!
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Posted 2011-June-06, 17:35

Double. I'll give up on a 5-3 spade fit for a #.

I won;t give up on a 5-4 however.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 01:14

Well one should have a tight anti defence sys for weak 2's by opps
also a tight defence against multi 2's by opps- defence wise
and they are available..
so as i have both cannot offer an answer.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 01:42

I am your partner, albeit for the first time in a major event, and you are certain that double is take-out.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 02:05

Dbl. I trust partner to take dbl as take out even if undiscussed. We possibly belong in 4♠ but why should I decide for my partner ? I am actually more worried about 5D as partner may pass with some 3244 or 3253 but taking the plunge to 5♦ is too big a position for me
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Posted 2011-June-07, 02:25

Dbl seems obvious if it's takeout.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 11:48

I think 4S is super obvious
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Posted 2011-June-07, 12:43

You're the odd guy today, justin. Maybe I hacked your BBF account, ahah.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 16:48

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-June-07, 11:48, said:

I think 4S is super obvious

Sanity of regular reader is restored, as he said the same thing and cannot believe everyone is doubling.

On the other hand, 4♦ was the last making contract on the actual hand and you'll get +500 by doubling. We actually got +1100 when declarer misread the spade position.

Partner held ♠Kx ♥AKx ♦Kxxx ♣Axxx.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 04:25

We are a passed hand so if your requirement for a weak 2 are low (meaning its impossible for us to have pts and 6S) our 4S partner will show 5S +5m or 5044 right ? Im a big fan of show cards double that are passed very frequently, this hand is perfect for me I X partner isnt allowed to pull to 5m. He will only pull to 4S with 4 card support and without too much soft values in H.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 05:37

I don't agree that 4♠ shows an alternative strain. We passed in second seat. I wouldn't open 2♠ in second on 10xxxxx x Axx Kxx or KQJ10x x QJxx xxx, but I'd want to bid 4♠ on either.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 05:39

View Postbenlessard, on 2011-June-08, 04:25, said:

We are a passed hand so if your requirement for a weak 2 are low (meaning its impossible for us to have pts and 6S) our 4S partner will show 5S +5m or 5044 right ? Im a big fan of show cards double that are passed very frequently, this hand is perfect for me I X partner isnt allowed to pull to 5m. He will only pull to 4S with 4 card support and without too much soft values in H.

It is interesting to consider what one expects partner to do over 4♠ with his given hand. Does bidding 4♠ show two places as a passed hand, or can one just have three points and six spades. If they double four spades, does responder run? Should partner run?

Everyone has strong opinions in the post-mortem but never so easy at the table. Opponents are internationalists so they do not exactly jump up on the chair waving a flag when the choice is wrong and they double.

Edit: I see gnasher has given his view above as I posted this.
Edit: rereading this I saw it could be read as slightly aggressive toward benlessard. Nothing could be further from the truth and I've replaced 'you' with 'one' in the post. benlessard raised a very interesting and relevant point.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 05:57

I go with Justin, obv. 4♠, because I think it shows a minor here too as a passed hand.
I don't state "super obvious" though because the spades are so bad.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 06:39

View Postpaulg, on 2011-June-06, 16:32, said:


One of the regular readers of my blog thinks that the rest of my audience has gone mad and wants to restore sanity to the situation. Of course, whether it is my audience's or his is yet to be determined.

What's your call? How strongly do you feel about your choice?



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Posted 2011-June-08, 07:27

I thought 4♠ when I first saw the hand, but now no one will believe me.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 07:44

My partner doubled saying that the spades looked like a four-card suit to her, especially as I might have doubled with spades and unspectacular heart holding.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 14:09

View Postgnasher, on 2011-June-08, 05:37, said:

I don't agree that 4♠ shows an alternative strain. We passed in second seat. I wouldn't open 2♠ in second on 10xxxxx x Axx Kxx or KQJ10x x QJxx xxx, but I'd want to bid 4♠ on either.


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