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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-May-27, 16:46


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Posted 2011-May-27, 17:00

View Postjillybean, on 2011-May-27, 16:46, said:



The 2D rebid shows 4+diamonds, and South has invitational values and 4 diamonds. 3D seems right, and that is where we would play it. Many South's would have rebid 3N rather than 3D, but I am not one of them. If 3NT had lucked out, then the blame would have been on me (South) for bidding 3D and playing it there; but partner looking at my hand would not be placing the blame.
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Posted 2011-May-27, 17:10

prefer 2nt unless pard opens sound.

north may well rebid 3nt in any case.

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Posted 2011-May-27, 17:14

South got too excited when he heard 2. 3 is inviting but maybe with less values. I suppose I'd bid 2NT, but I wonder if the red suits had behaved we'd be watching this topic...

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-May-27, 18:17

If you never go down 1 or 2 you're not bidding as many games as you should be. Given today's aggressive game bidding, at teams I'd definitely want to be in game. At matchpoints, 3d is perhaps better.'
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Posted 2011-May-27, 18:44

Looks OK to me, and 3NT isn't completely hopeless either. It depends a bit on North's opening style... if I'm sitting North, South might want to downgrade that hand to an invite. ;)
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Posted 2011-May-28, 00:53

I think south should bid 3C not 3N, but partner would bid 3N over that anyways.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 07:19



Unfortunately, many more pairs stayed out of 3N than got into it.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 08:03

I think it depends on the scoring system. If you're playing IMPs it's a reasonable bid and bad luck. If you're playing matchpoints (which I deduce you are) then 12 isn't enough to push to game opposite an opener. Assuming your partner opens 1 of a suit and makes minimum rebids with 12-14HCP then pushing to game with 12 HCP will be wrong 67% of the time in terms of having the magic 26 HCP.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 08:04

No particular blame in the final contract but I don't like how you got there.

After North bid 2 I expect that hand to have a black singleton almost always and South doesn't have any body cards.

3 or 2nt may well work but if I decide to force to game I'm bidding 3 to keep or in the picture. North has not denied a 6-4 yet and the 10 could be the difference in a 5-2 fit.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 08:16

Agree, this is pretty much a MPs vs IMPs thing where South should definitely bid the game at IMPs but should be more cautious at MPs. If it wasn't for the dodgy stop in spades, 3NT looks to need the diamond finesse or the HQ doubleton/tripleton onside, making it a roughly 72% contract. Hence if you had the 1 missing HCP (to make 25) in the form of the SJ, you can see it would be definitely worth bidding.

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Posted 2011-May-28, 09:53

I wouldn't be that surprised to make this on a better day.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 11:48

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-May-28, 00:53, said:

I think south should bid 3C not 3N, but partner would bid 3N over that anyways.


That's how I would bid it as well and I think it is straightforward.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 12:02

Curious that West didnt open a weak 2.

At MPs, I don't think calling the South hand an invite in diamonds is a distortion.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 12:16

It's either an underbid or an absolute maximum for the auction. If there was a way to show a serious invite, then 3D would certainly be reasonable at matchpoints (by the way, I didn't know it was matchpoints!). But on this auction, you'll also be bidding 3D with a queen less for sure. So I do think that you are quite heavy for 3D.

Phil is right of course that west's decision not to preempt put you in a different situation than pretty much every other table.
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Posted 2011-May-28, 13:40

If they preempted you would bid 2S X p 3N. Some hands you are destined to get too high, 12 opposite 12 does not always make a game but when you both have a nice 12 and a fit, you're probably going to get there.
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Posted 2011-May-30, 03:49

The 3NT is reasonable, so no blame, ... you have the black suits stopped,
you bid spade, that improves the stopper, so no blame - next bord.

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