[TWO4BRIDGE]

How would you do it ?
( Opps silent )

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[mike777]

1s=2d
2s(6)=4c(splinter)
4h=5c
5h=5nt(gsf)
7s


I dont really think east is good enough for an exclusion 5c over 2s and it really complicates things at a high level.

[Cyberyeti]

Modified Acol framework, 2/1 not GF, the 2N bid followed by 3♠ is a better hand than an immediate 3♠

1♠- 2♦
2N(GF unbalanced) - 3♦(lowest sensible rebid)
3♠ - 5♣(exclusion)
5♦(0/3) - 5♥ (Q♠?)
6♥(yes and K♥)- 7♠

I think exclusion can be used on my sequence as W has already shown 7.5 playing tricks or more.

[Free]

I play exclusion 1430, it won't be pretty...

[whereagles]

This one is actually very easy. Just support hearts at the 3 level and follow-up with exclusion RKCB. You'll get to at least 6 and certainly to 7 if you make some sort of grand slam try after RKCB, e.g.

1♠ 2♥
3♥ 5♣
5♦ 5NT
7♥

5NT = king ask or any other GS attempt
7♥ = if pard is serious about his GT try, my solid suit should be enough...

It's even easier if you play that

1♠ 2♥
3♥

shows extras, as some do.

[Cyberyeti]

whereagles, on 2011-April-12, 08:11, said:

This one is actually very easy. Just support hearts at the 3 level and follow-up with exclusion RKCB. You'll get to at least 6 and certainly to 7 if you make some sort of grand slam try after RKCB, e.g.

1♠ 2♥
3♥ 5♣
5♦ 5NT
7♥

5NT = king ask or any other GS attempt
7♥ = if pard is serious about his GT try, my solid suit should be enough...

It's even easier if you play that

1♠ 2♥
3♥

shows extras, as some do.

Except that you're now in the wrong grand, 7♠ can survive ♥ Jxxx-x offside some of the time (like when the Q♦ falls in 3, or a lot more if they lead a club).

[whereagles]

you're so picky

[TWO4BRIDGE]

mike777, on 2011-April-11, 20:25, said:

1s=2d
2s(6)=4c(splinter)
4h=5c
5h=5nt(gsf)
7s


I dont really think east is good enough for an exclusion 5c over 2s and it really complicates things at a high level.

At first I thought what an elegant solution for this hand.
Then I started thinking about athe 5NT Grand Slam Force bid.
As I recall ( and I rechecked some references ), 5NT asks to bid 7-trump with TWO of the top THREE trump honors.

That means Opener could have bid 7S holding:
K Q T 9 x x [ In other words OFF the trump ACE ! ! ]
A K x
x
A x x

It seems that the "asker" MUST hold ONE of the top 3 before asking ! !

However, there is another possibility that Opener could have only ONE of the three top trumps, in which case he would
bid 6S holding:
Q T 9 x x x [ In other words OFF the top 2 trumps ! ! ]
A K x
x
A K x

[mike777]

5nt does indeed force to slam.

But you can show one or two of the top three below 6s

See Bridge Encyclopedia but there are several methods.

with your one example I would just bid 4nt over 4c....not 4h..lets not go cuebid mad.

You do need to be able to handle the auction if pard has a void in clubs so be careful about all this cuebidding without trumps. If pard has a void in clubs she will not be able to rkc.

btw responder should not show the void after rkc since she will not know if it is useful.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

I Googled one of Eddie Kantar's posts. It had results of a bidding quiz.
For the hands that used the 5NT ( GSF ) -- and there weren't many of them -- each "asker" held ONE of the top 3 trump honors. [ie. None had zero ] .

[Zelandakh]

With 8 tricks the West hand is too strong for my 10-17 1S opening. Hence

1C = 15+ bal/nat or 18+ any
... - 2C = hearts and diamonds, GF
2D = relay, usually 18+
... - 2S = 5-5 or more
3H = agrees hearts
... - 3NT = serious slam interest without a spade control
4C = asks for club control
... - 4S = controls in both minors and side void
4N = which void?
... - 5C = clubs
5D = keycards?
... - 5S = 1 or 4
5N = HQ?
... - 6D = yes, and DK
7H

was my first try. Staying in the relay longer might be better but this approach seems the practical way to make sure we are not missing 2 cashing club tricks. Unfortunately, as CY says, this contract is not as good as 7S. An extra question to CY is what would West bid after 3D with a 5=1=3=4 hand? Presumably 3H would be natural and 4 of a minor seems precipitous; 3NT has wide open hearts and 3S must promise 6 for East to use Exclusion. Perhaps West is too strong to stop in 3NT though; I just found this interesting on a theoretical level.

[Fluffy]

I would do very similar to whereagles

1♠-2♥
3♥-5♣ (just void showing)
5NT-6♣ (ace ask, 1 ace)
6♦-7♦ (queen trump ask, yes with ♦K)
7♥

Also west is worth a 7♣ jump after 5♣, even if it is exclusion, as a suggestion to play in spades, but that thing is not very easy as it could also be taken as a suggestion for 7NT

[TWO4BRIDGE]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-April-14, 15:03, said:

At first I thought what an elegant solution for this hand.
Then I started thinking about athe 5NT Grand Slam Force bid.
As I recall ( and I rechecked some references ), 5NT asks to bid 7-trump with TWO of the top THREE trump honors.

1)That means Opener could have bid 7S holding:
K Q T 9 x x [ In other words OFF the trump ACE ! ! ]
A K x
x
A x x

It seems that the "asker" MUST hold ONE of the top 3 before asking ! !

However, there is another possibility that Opener could have only ONE of the three top trumps, in which case he would bid 6S holding:
2)Q T 9 x x x [ In other words OFF the top 2 trumps ! ! ]
A K x
x
A K x

I think I have a solution for Mike's auction since Responder doesn't have one trump honor to make a 5NT! GST.
And that is to use the Josephine 5NT-Reply to the 5-of-trump asking bid ( named after Culbertson's wife ) .

Mike's auction up to 5H:
1S - 2D!
2S - 4C! ( splinter )
4H - 5C! ( void )
5H - 5S!, as long as this would NOT be interpretted as a sign-off ( which I'm not sure of in this auction ), then:
??
..pass = 0 or 1 of top 3 honors ( example #2 above )
.. 6S = 2 of the top 3 ( example # 1 above )
..5NT! = ( Josephine ) = all THREE ( as in the original problem )

Responder can then confidently bid 7S over the Josephine 5NT-reply.... ( confident at least that they are not off the TOP trump honor as they could be with the 5NT-"asking" bid ) .

[ahydra]

I'd bid this similar to Cyberyeti, Acol style weak no trump 4cM

1S-2D
3S-5C (exclusion)
5D (0 or 3)-5H (have you got SQ)
6H (yes and the HK)-7S (perfect!)

In any sensible Acol type system 3S will always show 6 spades, so 5C would feel like exclusion for spades to anyone you agreed to play exclusion with, even if you hadn't discussed specifically whether a jump rebid of a suit sets trumps.

ahydra

[Rossoneri]

ahydra, on 2011-April-16, 10:23, said:

I'd bid this similar to Cyberyeti, Acol style weak no trump 4cM

1S-2D
3S-5C (exclusion)
5D (0 or 3)-5H (have you got SQ)
6H (yes and the HK)-7S (perfect!)

In any sensible Acol type system 3S will always show 6 spades, so 5C would feel like exclusion for spades to anyone you agreed to play exclusion with, even if you hadn't discussed specifically whether a jump rebid of a suit sets trumps.

ahydra

I like this auction. Also with 6 diamonds and 5 hearts do most people bid 2H over 1S instead of 2D?!

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Rossoneri, on 2011-April-16, 18:31, said:

...... with 6 diamonds and 5 hearts do most people bid 2H over 1S instead of 2D?!

I was wondering the same.
I don't know how representative this is, but here are the results of that hand from the 20 tables:
2D .................... 9 tables
2H .................... 9 tables
1NT! ( forcing ).... 2 tables

7 tables got to slam on the following auctions:

1S - 2H, 4H - 6H

1S - 2D, 3S - 4NT, 5H( obviously not RKC) - 6S

1S - 2D( grandmaster ), 3S - 4C!( cheapest Ctrl cue), 4NT - 5D, 5S - 6S

1S - 2H, 3H - 4H, 4NT - 5D( 1/4 ), 5H - 6H

1S - 2H, 2S - 4S, 6S

1S - 2D, 3S - 4S, 4NT - 6S

1S - 2H, 3S - 4NT, 5S( 0/3 ) - 6S

[FrancesHinden]

I don't understand a 2H response on this hand. You have a big two-suiter and slam is possible in any of three strains. Why bid your Q109xx suit before your AKJxxx suit?

[JLOGIC]

FrancesHinden, on 2011-April-17, 15:53, said:

I don't understand a 2H response on this hand. You have a big two-suiter and slam is possible in any of three strains. Why bid your Q109xx suit before your AKJxxx suit?

lol + 1 million. People seem to have a tough time bidding their longest suit first...but it's hard to imagine with 6 really good in 1 suit and 5 mediocre in another.