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Posted 2004-September-06, 14:53



You play 6, and West leads K. You can make this contract however the minors are distributed. How do you play?
(you can assume West also has Q)
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Posted 2004-September-06, 16:14

You are giving the clue in the explanation Free, althou I think you need 2-2 for that to work.
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Posted 2004-September-06, 16:15

Cool problem! Here's my solution (hidden - you should really try the problem :) ):

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I might have to do some additional thinking if hearts are 8-1, but with East having so many minor suit cards, it seems as if there must be a solution here too. Frederick, let me know if this is necessary. :)
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Posted 2004-September-06, 16:26

I suspect that you have it right, paulhar. However, the wording of the problem specifies that you make it *however* the minors are distributed. I fear that your line fails when East has a minor suit void and a trump (West switches to East's void at trick 2).
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Posted 2004-September-06, 16:27

Fluffy, on Sep 6 2004, 11:14 PM, said:

You are giving the clue in the explanation Free, althou I think you need 2-2 for that to work.

For what to work? Btw, if I don't say you can asume West has Q, then you'll come to the same conclusion anyway, since nobody leads his K from Kx(+)...
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Posted 2004-September-07, 03:02

I gonna make squeeze:

First, I will play A, and then finesse (I guess it will lose, else I made), I guess West will continue with trump, then I will open all (!) trumps, now I have to discard 3 cards, first is small , second - small and on the third (the squeeze card) I'll discard J(if West discard Q I will discard and J is my 12 trick, but I guess he will not discard it :) ) now I open A and K.
1.) If East is 4th, then West has QQx or East has Qx10, but never mind the Queen of diamond is SECOND so I open AK and the J is a big card.
2.) If West is 4th, then he has Q10 and ONE diamond and East has 3 diamonds, so I will open K and if West give small I will finesse the third Queen of diamonds in East.


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Posted 2004-September-07, 03:41

I think you're VERY close Skorchev, but not 100% :)

Question/hint: how do you know who has the s before you play the s?
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Posted 2004-September-07, 03:46

If trumps are 22 there's a simple loser-on-loser endplay. I guess that's what you should try first, no?
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Posted 2004-September-07, 04:21

i don't see the problem, sorry :)

duck the heart... trump comes back.. draw trumps, diamond to board, toss club on A, diamond to A, finish trumps... i *think* this is left:



on last spade, west keeps his heart.. toss dummy's... east keeps his diamond, play clubs

the reason i said i don't see the problem is cause i only see one line lolol
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Posted 2004-September-07, 04:22

I think there is misunderstanding, Frederick. I will try to be more clear this time. :)

1. A-x
2. x-J (it will lose)
3. x-A (I guess he will play x, it looks safest for the defence)
4. K-x
5. Q-x
6. J-x
7. 10-x

The 6-card endshpil:

-
J
Kx
Axx


x
-
AJx
Kx

8. x-J (I guess West will not discard Q, so I discard the J, if West discard Q I made)
9. K-x
10 x-A

The 3-card endshpil:

The cards of NS:
-
-
Kx
x


-
-
AJx
-

The cards of EW:
1.
- ------------ -
Q ----------- -
Qx ---------- xx
- ------------ 10

or

2.
- ------------- -
Q ------------ -
Q ------------ xxx
10 ----------- -

or

3.
- ------------- -
Q ------------ -
x ------------- Qxx
10 ----------- -

When I open the A one of the defenders will discard something (they are 4-2 in and A is third round which I play).

If East is longer in (look variant 1.) so EW is 2-2 in and I will open K and after A and J is a big card => I MADE.

If West is longer in (look variants 2. and 3.) I will open K and if West play small I will finesse the third Q in East => I MADE.

I hope that now I'm more clear. B)


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Posted 2004-September-07, 04:48

Ok, I indeed misunderstood that one. Your line already works when RHO has at least 2 s.

Only thing which is still a problem: if RHO has void or singleton , all these lines will fail...
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Posted 2004-September-07, 05:50

IF are 2-2 i whould make it like this i think.
Ace of ,ruff a draw 2playto king, ruff last, ace of and ace of and last now u should read the ending easy.


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Posted 2004-September-07, 06:13

Free, on Sep 7 2004, 05:48 AM, said:

Ok, I indeed misunderstood that one.  Your line already works when RHO has at least 2 s.

Only thing which is still a problem: if RHO has void or singleton , all these lines will fail...

Yes, Frederick, if there is singleton (except single Q) I gonna down. But I think this percentage is much much lower than 2-2. And if there is a void in RHO I still made because these is squeeze - on LHO. If LHO is void then I still have chances - - squeeze on LHO or - squeeze on RHO.

So I think the only way to go down on 6 is 5th Q in LHO.


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Posted 2004-September-07, 07:06

I can garantee you that there is a line of 100% ;)
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Posted 2004-September-07, 07:23

WOOPS!!! I made a typo!!!

You don't have J, only K54

VERY sorry
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Posted 2004-September-07, 07:23

OK Frederick, I'm waiting to see what is it ... ;) (btw there never is 100% line, if the hearts are 9-0 you go down) :)


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Posted 2004-September-07, 07:33

Free, on Sep 7 2004, 08:23 AM, said:

WOOPS!!!  I made a typo!!!

You don't have J, only K54

VERY sorry

Ok a bit differen then, ace of ruff a , 2 times ,king,to ace ,king and then Jack pith last and west is endplayed, if he still have more ill ruff and play my 3(whitch i have ceept)to dummy and take finnes in


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Posted 2004-September-07, 08:15

draw trumps, duck one round c, then marked single or dbl sqz. or c 33.
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Posted 2004-September-07, 08:39

1. Duck heart
2. Take club shift (best defense) in hand
3. Pull trumps
4. Cross to club ace and discard club on heart ace
5. Ruff a club and watch...
6a. Clubs break: 12 tricks
6b. If club guard on West, execute heart/club guard squeeze against West
6c. If club guard on East, execute double squeeze heart/diam vs West and club/diam vs East

Must duck heart trick 1. Otherwise East might take the later club duck and switch to a diam and it's game over.

Did I get it right? ;)
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Posted 2004-September-07, 08:46

whereagles, on Sep 7 2004, 09:39 AM, said:

1. Duck heart
2. Take club shift (best defense) in hand
3. Pull trumps
4. Cross to club ace and discard club on heart ace
5. Ruff a club and watch...
6a. Clubs break: 12 tricks
6b. If club guard on West, execute heart/club guard squeeze against West
6c. If club guard on East, execute double squeeze heart/diam vs West and club/diam vs East

Must duck heart trick 1. Otherwise East might take the later club duck and switch to a diam and it's game over.

Did I get it right? ;)

how could west be scveesed in and / after u played 3 times hart?
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