[pork rind]

you arrive in a bad 7s contract( partners fault of course) in a team match. you know that prob the opps at the other table are in 6h

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[inquiry]

Edit the post and add the opening lead... oh, and if the oppoents are in six hearts, it probably doesn't matter what you do, as you will win a lot of imps....

Welcome to the BBF...

Ben

[spwdo]

must be that i dnt have my glaces on, but where are six !H coming from ?

[jtfanclub]

pork rind, on Aug 29 2004, 07:18 PM, said:

you arrive in a bad 7s contract( partners fault of course) in a team match. you know that prob the opps at the other table are in 6h

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OK, I give.

I play every trump, sluffing a heart, followed by three rounds of clubs and the HA. If the H KQ have been dumped, I cash the jack. If they haven't, hopefully the person with the long diamonds also had the HKQ so now the diamonds cash out, or the diamonds were 3-3 to begin with. Or somebody made a foolish discard on the spades- it happens.

This must be wrong, because it's too easy. What did I miss?

[EricK]

jtfanclub, on Aug 30 2004, 08:33 AM, said:

pork rind, on Aug 29 2004, 07:18 PM, said:

you arrive in a bad 7s contract( partners fault of course) in a team match. you know that prob the opps at the other table are in 6h

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ AJ10x ♥ 10x ♦ KQ10x ♣ AQx ♠ K98xx ♥ AJ ♦ Axx ♣ Kxx

OK, I give.

I play every trump, sluffing a heart, followed by three rounds of clubs and the HA. If the H KQ have been dumped, I cash the jack. If they haven't, hopefully the person with the long diamonds also had the HKQ so now the diamonds cash out, or the diamonds were 3-3 to begin with. Or somebody made a foolish discard on the spades- it happens.

This must be wrong, because it's too easy. What did I miss?

How do you play the spades?

Eric

[1eyedjack]

Missing the rest of the information I probably finesse against the opening leader (after cashing one top honour).

There is a natural inclination for robots to lead a trump against a grand slam. However such robots are more likely to lead one from x(x) than from Qxx.

It is not much to go on but it might swing it away from the 52:48 a priori drop.

[pork rind]

ok opening lead was a heart. doesnt really matter. declarer finessed against q of spades& play stopped.ops implied cheating and refused to play on. my question was not clear i see. 6 smakes on standard play if either the q of spades falls r the diamond jack falls. but 7 needs both to happen. knowing that is a second reason to finesse the heart. but maybe it is just me that thinks that way. lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
thanx for opinions
just for your imfo spades were 3/1 and diamonds 4/2 not really unexpected

[inquiry]

Ok, so the opening lead was a heart.

This means West lead a heart honor (in which case he has the other), or a spot card. If a high spot card, I will place both top heart honors with EAST perhaps (restricted choice will come in here perhaps), if a low card, I will place the remaining high heart with WEST.

Win ACE. With no trump lead, like 1eye said, you have to look at WEST with a little suspesion. The traditional lead against grand slam in a trump. The lack of a trump lead has only three meanings.

1) West didn't have one
2) West had a combintiation that such a lead would not be attractive (Qxx or Qxxx)
3) West ignores or doesn't know tradition.

Assuming west knows tradition, did your bidding give anything away. If west lead a spot heart (high or especially if low), then I would play him for three/four to the queen and start the spade King. If he lead a high heart, "igonre" tradition is much more likely.

Since you said it was a heart, I assume low. Win the ace (I assume), and play the spade king, and spade hook. Now, the question of diamonds also has squeeze chances. IF the hand with the fourht diamond also has the missing heart honor. Play five round of spades (pitch heart), two round of diamonds ending in hand and three clubs. We assume everyone followed to second diamond and no one has thrown one. Position is now....

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Now you know the squeeze didn't work (else someone would ahve thrown the high heart of a diamond). So all you have to do is try to decide the distribution. You will have a pretty good count on the hand. Did anyone show out of clubs? What has EAST and West pitched on spade (east needing four discards, west two). If West is known to have the high heart, diamonds best be 3-3. It is hard for them to false effectively in this situation (but not impossible). If all the clubs are gone, then one fellow kept two hearts. You will have a good count in that case. It maybe hard for WEST to hide the fourth club given his heart lead. IF WEST lead asway from a heart honor, I would play for 3-3 diamonds. If west lead from nothing in hearts, I would tend to play him for four diamonds to the JACK.

Ben

[Free]

The only problem in this hand is how you play the ♠s imo. Further it's a clear ♦-♥ automatic squeeze. To play the ♠s properly, I need more info, but I think they're divided 2-2 at first sight (I'm a believer in law of symmetry - it's not a science )...

[1eyedjack]

Point is, I think, that to accuse declarer of cheating for taking a finesse in trumps here is just not on, whether it happens to be right or not.

[luke warm]

a finesse is hard to take, but given the point made by others (lack of a spade lead), i think i'd cash the K of spades then finesse

[pclayton]

EricK, on Aug 30 2004, 12:57 AM, said:

jtfanclub, on Aug 30 2004, 08:33 AM, said:

pork rind, on Aug 29 2004, 07:18 PM, said:

you arrive in a bad 7s contract( partners fault of course) in a team match. you know that prob the opps at the other table are in 6h

<!-- PARTNERSNS begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> ????? </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> ???? </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> Unknown </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AJ10x </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> 10x </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KQ10x </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> AQx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> K98xx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AJ </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> Axx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> Kxx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- PARTNERSNS end -->

OK, I give.

I play every trump, sluffing a heart, followed by three rounds of clubs and the HA. If the H KQ have been dumped, I cash the jack. If they haven't, hopefully the person with the long diamonds also had the HKQ so now the diamonds cash out, or the diamonds were 3-3 to begin with. Or somebody made a foolish discard on the spades- it happens.

This must be wrong, because it's too easy. What did I miss?

How do you play the spades?

Eric

I would consider the finesse automatic in 7, unless I had the K!h lead; and maybe even then.

In the last regional swiss I played in, I had to find one of two black queens to make 6. Qpening leader had Qxx of spades (didn't get this) and Qx of clubs (didnt find this either). Lose 17 right?

At the other table Fred Hamilton played SEVEN spades and found the trump queen, but lost to the Q♣.

Oh well, another push board LOL.

[the hog]

"At the other table Fred Hamilton played SEVEN spades and found the trump queen, but lost to the Q♣.

Oh well, another push board LOL."

I guess he was lucky he is no longer playing with Ira Rubin else it might not be the board that was pushed.