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#1 User is offline   Seinfeld9 

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Posted 2011-January-04, 00:20

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Posted 2011-January-04, 00:22

Why GIB play instead of ? 3NT should have been made.
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Posted 2011-January-04, 14:12

Suppose the hand was:

In this case, clubs do not run, so GIB needs some diamond tricks to make his contract. GIB must knock out A before his Q is gone. Apparently, GIB ran some simulations and determined that he must protect against the club stack in West.
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Posted 2011-January-04, 16:00

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-January-04, 14:12, said:

Suppose the hand was:

In this case, clubs do not run, so GIB needs some diamond tricks to make his contract. GIB must knock out A before his Q is gone. Apparently, GIB ran some simulations and determined that he must protect against the club stack in West.

In that case it has to make 2 diamonds- that's surely no chance. Didn't it simulate how times the ace would ducked? Once is all that is likely. If there is a club stack, you will go down.
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Posted 2011-January-04, 18:28

View Postcloa513, on 2011-January-04, 16:00, said:

In that case it has to make 2 diamonds- that's surely no chance. Didn't it simulate how times the ace would ducked? Once is all that is likely. If there is a club stack, you will go down.

I don't understand your statement. If the cards are as I have shown, you win the second heart, then go after diamonds. Doesn't matter how many East ducks. Once he wins he can clear hearts, but cannot get back in to cash to long ones, since clearing hearts takes away West's final heart.

I'm not opining as to the probabilities of various situations, just pointing out that there are times when going after diamonds instead of clubs works.
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Posted 2011-January-05, 00:08

Which again comes back to the problem with GIB's simulation-based strategy. It doesn't know how to "test clubs", "combine chances", or make "discovery plays", which are strategies that we routinely teach advancing players.

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Posted 2011-January-15, 20:00

View Postbarmar, on 2011-January-05, 00:08, said:

Which again comes back to the problem with GIB's simulation-based strategy. It doesn't know how to "test clubs", "combine chances", or make "discovery plays", which are strategies that we routinely teach advancing players.
I agree that GIB's "test" skills are lacking, but this is not a case in point. Since Declarer-GIB presumes that Defender-GIB will defend optimally, if West holds ATxx and East holds A, you cannot test clubs even once, because West wins the first club, and clears , and waits for East to get in. Declarer has only 8 tricks.
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Posted 2011-January-18, 09:31

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-January-04, 14:12, said:

Suppose the hand was:

In this case, clubs do not run, so GIB needs some diamond tricks to make his contract. GIB must knock out A before his Q is gone. Apparently, GIB ran some simulations and determined that he must protect against the club stack in West.

You have showm me 1 hand where the !d play is correct. I can show you 20 hands where the club play is correct. !c is def the correct percentage play. Think GIb is dealing bad samples
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