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your hand is
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xx
AKxxxx
AJTxx
you are white, opps are red
you open 1D, and the bidding goes
1D- (dbl)-1H - (2S)
2N*-(dbl)-pass-(pass)
3C- (4S) -dbl-(pass)
pass-(rdbl)
do you run from the rdbl? how clear is it?
*2N is good/bad, a relay to 3C to show a distributional hand without extras
if it matters, you are playing against unknown opposition
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do you run from the redouble?
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Posted 2010-December-17, 11:12
Why would i even think of running ?
Didn't i show 2 suiter minors ? Yes
Didn't i show a weaker hand by 2NT instead of direct 3♣? Yes
Don't i have more quick tricks than an average weak 2 suiter would offer in defense? Yes.
So I pass, Wtp ?
Didn't i show 2 suiter minors ? Yes
Didn't i show a weaker hand by 2NT instead of direct 3♣? Yes
Don't i have more quick tricks than an average weak 2 suiter would offer in defense? Yes.
So I pass, Wtp ?
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Posted 2010-December-17, 11:23
indeed
i'm just trying to gather opinions cos i had a disagreement with my partner after she ran, thinking that her tricks may not be cashing "because her hand was so distributional"
but it wasn't very much more distributional than she advertised (65 instead of 55)
and they were quick tricks
i'm just trying to gather opinions cos i had a disagreement with my partner after she ran, thinking that her tricks may not be cashing "because her hand was so distributional"
but it wasn't very much more distributional than she advertised (65 instead of 55)
and they were quick tricks
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Posted 2010-December-17, 11:45
+1000, next.
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Posted 2010-December-17, 11:49
This should be in the B/I forum....I don't think many good players would even consider running. In fact, this hand has significantly more defence than promised...I'd have bid 3♣ to show a good hand rather than using good-bad.....this is a powerful hand opposite any degree of fit.
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Posted 2010-December-17, 12:06
mikeh, on 2010-December-17, 11:49, said:
This should be in the B/I forum....I don't think many good players would even consider running. In fact, this hand has significantly more defence than promised...I'd have bid 3♣ to show a good hand rather than using good-bad.....this is a powerful hand opposite any degree of fit.
Indeed, KNR rated this hand close to 18 hcp.
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Posted 2010-December-17, 12:08
I think running could be right (.5% of the time), but I will never choose it. So I want to choose number 3 and 5
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Posted 2010-December-17, 12:54
I think running is awful :
1. I could have x xx KQJxx KQJxx (BTW I'd bid 3♣ if playing GB-2NT)
2. Instead I have much more defense than I already promised (A AK!, even the ♣J may matter)
3. Partner clearly has doubled on the basis of no defensive tricks in my hand.
4. Actually running means "partner's double was probably totally stupid, LHO know probably what he's doing, let's trust LHO". This could seriously damage partnership's confidence.
Oh la la
1. I could have x xx KQJxx KQJxx (BTW I'd bid 3♣ if playing GB-2NT)
2. Instead I have much more defense than I already promised (A AK!, even the ♣J may matter)
3. Partner clearly has doubled on the basis of no defensive tricks in my hand.
4. Actually running means "partner's double was probably totally stupid, LHO know probably what he's doing, let's trust LHO". This could seriously damage partnership's confidence.
Oh la la
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Posted 2010-December-17, 15:10
raist, on 2010-December-17, 10:59, said:
your hand is
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xx
AKxxxx
AJTxx
you are white, opps are red
you open 1D, and the bidding goes
1D- (dbl)-1H - (2S)
2N*-(dbl)-pass-(pass)
3C- (4S) -dbl-(pass)
pass-(rdbl)
do you run from the rdbl? how clear is it?
*2N is good/bad, a relay to 3C to show a distributional hand without extras
if it matters, you are playing against unknown opposition
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xx
AKxxxx
AJTxx
you are white, opps are red
you open 1D, and the bidding goes
1D- (dbl)-1H - (2S)
2N*-(dbl)-pass-(pass)
3C- (4S) -dbl-(pass)
pass-(rdbl)
do you run from the rdbl? how clear is it?
*2N is good/bad, a relay to 3C to show a distributional hand without extras
if it matters, you are playing against unknown opposition
I think running is clear.
You bid 1H with a doubleton and then DBL'ed 4S with a void.
You never know that this works out, but if opps REDBL then I run to a minor (I have a double fit for partner)
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Posted 2010-December-17, 15:19
I have AK A and partner doubled them and sat...no I do not run lol. Running is just straight up trusting LHO way more than partner. He heard them double and double and bid 4S r/w. He knows they have the nuts and he still doubled. In context of my own bidding, I have an awesome hand for defense for him. If I had --- xx KQJTxx KQJTx I would run, but not even close with this hand.
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Posted 2010-December-17, 16:24
PASS! I have a huge hand for the bidding with an AK-A.
2N is awful. How can this ever be considered a 'bad' 3♣ call lol.
2N is awful. How can this ever be considered a 'bad' 3♣ call lol.
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Posted 2010-December-18, 02:42
kgr, on 2010-December-17, 15:10, said:
I think running is clear.
You bid 1H with a doubleton and then DBL'ed 4S with a void.
You never know that this works out, but if opps REDBL then I run to a minor (I have a double fit for partner)
You bid 1H with a doubleton and then DBL'ed 4S with a void.
You never know that this works out, but if opps REDBL then I run to a minor (I have a double fit for partner)
Are u okay there m8 ?
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2010-December-18, 04:24
Phil, on 2010-December-17, 16:24, said:
PASS! I have a huge hand for the bidding with an AK-A.
2N is awful. How can this ever be considered a 'bad' 3♣ call lol.
2N is awful. How can this ever be considered a 'bad' 3♣ call lol.
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Posted 2010-December-18, 09:38
Am I believing solid spades and H-void?
After partner doubled?
I do have 3xDT. Which is the void, if they are making?
After partner doubled?
I do have 3xDT. Which is the void, if they are making?
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Posted 2010-December-20, 12:36
MrAce, on 2010-December-18, 02:42, said:
Are u okay there m8 ?
He's obviously fine. And humourus too.
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Posted 2010-December-20, 23:13
MrAce, on 2010-December-17, 11:12, said:
Why would i even think of running ?
Didn't i show 2 suiter minors ? Yes
Didn't i show a weaker hand by 2NT instead of direct 3♣? Yes
Don't i have more quick tricks than an average weak 2 suiter would offer in defense? Yes.
So I pass, Wtp ?
Didn't i show 2 suiter minors ? Yes
Didn't i show a weaker hand by 2NT instead of direct 3♣? Yes
Don't i have more quick tricks than an average weak 2 suiter would offer in defense? Yes.
So I pass, Wtp ?
I don't think I could have expressed this any better myself.
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