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dealing with pre-empts #24613

Poll: What's your call (17 member(s) have cast votes)

(3C)-P-(5C)-??

  1. Pass (8 votes [47.06%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.06%

  2. Double (5 votes [29.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.41%

  3. 5H (4 votes [23.53%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2010-October-29, 16:02



IMPs, none vul, what's your call?

Sorry had hand wrong before
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Posted 2010-October-29, 16:04

Edited, since new hand:

Much closer now. If I go with my gut, I still pass. But bad things happen when I actually think about the situation:

Partner rates to have a stiff/void in Clubs here. The fact that partner had Shortness in their suit and failed to act is not a good thing. Partner probably (hopefully?) has a few useful cards, and if nothing else, it may be a good save, however 3 tricks look fairly certain, provided partner leads a red suit. I think I would bid 5♥ at IMPs. There is too much to be lost by not bidding 5♥. Partner should understand to give us a LOT of wiggle room here, and not hang us for bidding some of their hand as well.

In conclusion, I am a 5♥ bidder now.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:23

I might have enough to bid 4H if possible, but I have too many losers to bid at the 5 level. Pass, fairly happily.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:26

5♥ is completely sick.

pass or double that is the question?? well I will pass because if I double I am not happy if partner pulls and if he doesn't pull it will just be 100 and sometimes 300 and sometimes -550, not very good prospects..
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Posted 2010-October-30, 19:13

I pass. I simply don't have the values for 5♥ and X is too rich for my blood--I wouldn't criticize it.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 19:28

Pass > double >>>>>> 5♥
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Posted 2010-October-31, 06:29

Not pass; it looks like it is pretty much a guess as partner with an apparently club void could not act over 3♣. Still he should not need a lot for 5♥ to make and 5♣ may not go down a lot so my preferences are 5♥>X>>>>pass
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Posted 2010-October-31, 07:05

I don't like leaving a bidding without showing a good suit, I have overcalled on much sicker scenarios.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 11:32

double-post and had 2 cards wrong way round.
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Posted 2010-November-02, 11:37

I think pulling to 6♦ is a weird action. I don't know. if N has a lot of points, 6♦ may well be more expensive than 5♥. Plus, 6♦ will basically never make and maybe 5♥ will.

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Posted 2010-November-02, 11:40

I could have sworn the hand in OP was what I had, guess I was tired. Anyway, actual hand below:



There was some heated discussion afterwards basically involving partner calling my 5H sick, me trying to justify it and suggesting that he might have pulled with his hand on the basis that I've had to guess and it looks like I've guessed wrong.

Do you pass or bid 6D with the west hand?
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