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Poll: ATB (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Who's at fault?

  1. North 100% (2 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. North 70%, South 30% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Both 50% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. North 30%, South 70% (1 votes [4.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.55%

  5. South 100% (4 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  6. No blame (15 votes [68.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.18%

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#1 User is offline   dbsboy 

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Posted 2010-October-29, 10:03



3♦X just made
-670 and 10 imps

Assess the blame pls.
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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:07

I think I would have done the same with either hand.
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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:08

North has an absolutely clear balancing double at any form of scoring.

South's problem is more difficult. Since partner is in balancing seat, he does not have to have the strength typical of a takeout double of a preempt. But he could have a very good hand. And, while his RHO is certainly aware that he is making a vul against not preempt, South does have 2 sure defensive tricks and prospects for more (the ♣K, a spade ruff). Partner can be expected to take at least 2, possibly 3 or more tricks.

Besides, if South does not pass, what is he supposed to do?

I voted no blame. Very tough hand to get right.
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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:15

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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:22

No blame. I agree with both calls, and it's just a very unfortunate hand.

Sh*t happens.
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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:37

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-October-29, 11:22, said:

No blame. I agree with both calls, and it's just a very unfortunate hand.

Sh*t happens.

Agreed
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Posted 2010-October-29, 11:37

If you don't occasionally go for -670 you aren't playing bridge, no blame.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2010-October-29, 12:16

Why did you lose 10 imps? What happened at the other table?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-29, 12:23

View PostArtK78, on 2010-October-29, 11:08, said:

Since partner is in balancing seat, he does not have to have the strength typical of a takeout double of a preempt. But he could have a very good hand.

A passed hand usually does not have a very good hand... ;)
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Posted 2010-October-29, 12:23

View Postbucky, on 2010-October-29, 12:16, said:

Why did you lose 10 imps? What happened at the other table?


The field happened:
http://online.bridge...username=dbsboy
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Posted 2010-October-29, 13:14

View Postmatmat, on 2010-October-29, 12:23, said:

The field happened:
http://online.bridge...username=dbsboy

Thanks. I thought it was team game. IMP pairs can be quite random (both ways)... especially with a small field of 16 tables.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-30, 08:31

Thx for all the replies. I posted this because I think I had to reassess my balancing requirements.

I was North.
Before playing this board, I thought it was quite obvious to double w/ both Majors and some strength.

After the board, W (a self-rated expert) said, ''dbl w/ 9 hcp? lol'' sth like that. And my pick-up partner (also a self-rated expert) agreed.

Re bucky: if it was a team game i would be less surprised I think, the fact that I saw many in the field chose to pass 3♦ put me in deep thought though.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 08:34

It's usually not a good idea to use an online field to judge any aspect of your game. Both you and your partner's actions were completely normal.

Just like when 15 tables pass out a board with 12 HCP opposite 11 HCP, and you get to a partscore which fails because of a 5-0 trump split. It's simply unlucky.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:10

I disagree with South's pass. AKxx is not that suitable for defending. AKTx on the other hand....
I would have bid 3NT with the South hand.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:12

View Postthe hog, on 2010-October-30, 18:10, said:

I disagree with South's pass. AKxx is not that suitable for defending. AKTx on the other hand....
I would have bid 3NT with the South hand.

Opposite a passed partner? With no values in the majors? W/R? Yikes.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:22

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 08:34, said:

It's usually not a good idea to use an online field to judge any aspect of your game. Both you and your partner's actions were completely normal.

Just like when 15 tables pass out a board with 12 HCP opposite 11 HCP, and you get to a partscore which fails because of a 5-0 trump split. It's simply unlucky.

This is a strange comment after 12 of the 15 voters said "no blame". OP asked if someone was to blame, and the online field gave a clear answer, which agrees with yours. Asking the field to judge OP's actions is exactly why this forum exists.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:29

View PostBbradley62, on 2010-October-30, 18:22, said:

This is a strange comment after 12 of the 15 voters said "no blame". OP asked if someone was to blame, and the online field gave a clear answer, which agrees with yours. Asking the field to judge OP's actions is exactly why this forum exists.

I am referring to the 16 tables the result is compared against, not the forum.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:30

View PostBbradley62, on 2010-October-30, 18:22, said:

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 08:34, said:

View Postdbsboy, on 2010-October-30, 08:31, said:

the fact that I saw many in the field chose to pass 3♦ put me in deep thought though.



It's usually not a good idea to use an online field to judge any aspect of your game. Both you and your partner's actions were completely normal.

Just like when 15 tables pass out a board with 12 HCP opposite 11 HCP, and you get to a partscore which fails because of a 5-0 trump split. It's simply unlucky.



This is a strange comment after 12 of the 15 voters said "no blame". OP asked if someone was to blame, and the online field gave a clear answer, which agrees with yours. Asking the field to judge OP's actions is exactly why this forum exists.


Perhaps that makes it easier for you to follow the conversation.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:43

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2010-October-30, 18:12, said:

Opposite a passed partner? With no values in the majors? W/R? Yikes.


Missed the original pass. Sorry. Ok change the 3NT bid to 3H. Pass is now even poorer opposite a passed hand imo
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Posted 2010-October-30, 18:58

View Post655321, on 2010-October-30, 18:30, said:

Perhaps that makes it easier for you to follow the conversation.

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