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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2010-October-18, 13:24

Playing XYZ, how do you handle this;

Scoring: IMP

(P) 1♣ (X) 1♠
(P) 1N (2♣) ?

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Posted 2010-October-18, 13:48

I don't think XYZ should be when opps compete after 1Z. BTW what does 2♣ show?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-18, 13:55

2♣ is ♣'s
So if it's off, what do you bid and what is 2♦ here?
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Posted 2010-October-18, 14:21

3♣ forcing, 2♦ IMO is to play (4♠-5♦)

double I am never sure about the meaning of doubles in partner's suit.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 15:18

I don't know how any other conventions handle this but I try 4♠ hopefully partner is a believer that a 1NT call should have at least 2♠
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:23

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 02:55 PM, said:

2♣ is ♣'s
So if it's off, what do you bid and what is 2♦ here?

Pretty odd... Isn't double of 1♣ supposed to be based on shortness in clubs?

Anyway, I think when opponents interfere, you need more ways to compete (at the cost of less ways to invite). So 2♦ will be natural (and non-forcing) for me. For this hand, 4♠ seems more straightforward. In fact, even without interference (i.e. XYZ is available), I'd probably still bid a direct 4♠.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:29

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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:41

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:23 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 02:55 PM, said:

2♣ is ♣'s
So if it's off, what do you bid and what is 2♦ here?

Pretty odd... Isn't double of 1♣ supposed to be based on shortness in clubs?


What do you bid over 1♣ with xx,xx,Kxx,AKQxxx ?
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:42

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 07:41 PM, said:

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:23 PM, said:

Pretty odd... Isn't double of 1♣ supposed to be based on shortness in clubs?


What do you bid over 1♣ with xx,xx,Kxx,AKQxxx ?

Pass... what else??

You don't / shouldn't double just to show you have an opening hand. Perhaps this post belongs to B/I.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:49

I actually doubled here and my partner left it in for -3 and 12imps.


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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:54

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:42 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 07:41 PM, said:

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:23 PM, said:

Pretty odd... Isn't double of 1♣ supposed to be based on shortness in clubs?


What do you bid over 1♣ with xx,xx,Kxx,AKQxxx ?

Pass... what else??

You don't / shouldn't double just to show you have an opening hand. Perhaps this post belongs to B/I.

Yes, sorry you're right. Ignore that post.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:55

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 07:49 PM, said:

I actually doubled here and my partner left it in for -3 and 12imps.

If you have agreement that X here shows stiff club and 6th spade and good hand, then it is a perfect action.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-18, 18:59

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:55 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 07:49 PM, said:

I actually doubled here and my partner left it in for -3 and 12imps.

If you have agreement that X here shows stiff club and 6th spade and good hand, then it is a perfect action.

Is this intended as helpful, funny or just sarcastic? Obviously it’s not a perfect auction, I wouldn’t have bothered asking about it if I thought it was.
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Posted 2010-October-18, 19:06

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 07:59 PM, said:

Is this intended as helpful, funny or just sarcastic? Obviously it’s not a perfect auction, I wouldn’t have bothered asking about it if I thought it was.

Sorry, of course it was a joke. What I meant to say is that, double is a much less descriptive bid than 4♠, although it probably worked better for this particular layout. Also note that the good result you had might be more of a function of opponent's silly bidding, but that is not something based on which you want to judge the success of certain bids.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-18, 19:26

3S
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Posted 2010-October-18, 19:52

jillybean, on Oct 19 2010, 07:41 AM, said:

bucky, on Oct 18 2010, 05:23 PM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 18 2010, 02:55 PM, said:

2♣ is ♣'s
So if it's off, what do you bid and what is 2♦ here?

Pretty odd... Isn't double of 1♣ supposed to be based on shortness in clubs?


What do you bid over 1♣ with xx,xx,Kxx,AKQxxx ?

A natural 2C. If I am not playing this as natural, this is a clear pass and hope to compete later.

On your hand I would bid 3S.
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