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#1 User is offline   doclands 

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Posted 2010-October-17, 01:28

Hi guys
Are there any analysis programmes out there? I know that Deep Finnesse can tell me what can be made double dummy and how for a given hand but that is as far as I get. The more involved the better.

If you do know of any programmes, or other things that Deep Finnesse does, what sort of things do they do?

A few posts on this forum have mentioned 'running an analysis' - what was meant by this?

Many thanks

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Posted 2010-October-17, 03:56

doclands, on Oct 17 2010, 07:28 AM, said:

A few posts on this forum have mentioned 'running an analysis' - what was meant by this?

DD analysis really proves little on its own - merely the winning line on a single specific hand. What people often mean by 'running an analysis' is to take at least 100 hands, randomly dealt, but fulfilling the requirements of a specific auction, maybe with one hand known - or whatever seems appropriate to the problem, subject the batch to DD analysis and look at the % that made X tricks and so on.

Sometimes it throws some useful light on a problem - sometimes people just argue about what was reasonable 'requirements of a specific auction' - or just don't want to change their pet methods and so on.

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Posted 2010-October-17, 06:43

NickRW, on Oct 17 2010, 12:56 PM, said:

Sometimes it throws some useful light on a problem - sometimes people just argue about what was reasonable 'requirements of a specific auction' - or just don't want to change their pet methods and so on.

Nick

Nick just (obliquely) raised a very point:

The very act of writing code to perform an analysis can be more useful than the results.

Writing code forces one to explicit document a set of assumptions. Moreover, this code provides a specific description that can be shared with others and critiqued.

I know that there is a lot of debate on the forums about the validity of single dummy and double dummy analysis. However, I think there would be more widespread agreement that the exercise itself can have some value.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 20:35

Related question: are there are any programs to A ) convert hand records like these into e.g. BBO files or something; B ) do a double dummy analysis on them to find all the "mistakes" that both declarer and the defence make?
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Posted 2010-October-17, 20:41

Double Dummy Solver does B (any mistakes show up in red, you can also play on a card by card basis), I'm not sure what does A, would need some LIN converter.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 21:14

lmilne, on Oct 18 2010, 03:35 PM, said:

Related question: are there are any programs to A ) convert hand records like these into e.g. BBO files or something; B ) do a double dummy analysis on them to find all the "mistakes" that both declarer and the defence make?

If they published the dealmaster pro file that produced the hand record then you could easily do a convert.

It is much harder from the pdf.

There is no reason why they cannot provide a suitable file from dealmaster pro - pbn or even lin file.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 22:32

Cascade, on Oct 18 2010, 08:44 AM, said:

lmilne, on Oct 18 2010, 03:35 PM, said:

Related question:  are there are any programs to A ) convert hand records like these into e.g. BBO files or something; B ) do a double dummy analysis on them to find all the "mistakes" that both declarer and the defence make?

If they published the dealmaster pro file that produced the hand record then you could easily do a convert.

It is much harder from the pdf.

There is no reason why they cannot provide a suitable file from dealmaster pro - pbn or even lin file.

Dealmaster Pro provides LIN outputs. Version 5.2 onwards.
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Posted 2010-October-17, 22:33

Yes I didn't mean Dealmaster pro as they rather the tournament organizers.

Liam might need some good luck with that :)
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Posted 2010-October-18, 01:13

At least the win client for BBO, allowes you to open an PBN file, so any
software that produces a file in PBN format will work with BBO.

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Posted 2010-October-18, 01:21

Jack lets you bid and play a hand and afterwards you can ask "professor Jack" to analyze the bidding and play. This is probably something you're looking for.

You can also let Jack bid and play the entire hand for you to see what he does.
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Posted 2010-October-20, 15:24

The BBO client not only reads in the pbn file but it also creates an lin file with all of the hands in it as soon as you open up the pbn file! I use this all the time to convert pbn files produced by my own hand generation programmes so that I can use them on BBO for partnership bidding practice. It is stored next to your original pbn file, with the same name but the lin extension.
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Posted 2010-November-16, 23:22

View Postdoclands, on 2010-October-20, 15:24, said:

The BBO client not only reads in the pbn file but it also creates an lin file with all of the hands in it as soon as you open up the pbn file! I use this all the time to convert pbn files produced by my own hand generation programmes so that I can use them on BBO for partnership bidding practice. It is stored next to your original pbn file, with the same name but the lin extens+ion.


I hate it doing this automatically. I have to go back and delete the LIN file. Lin file will always have the limitation of how many times a board can be played, like 16 is a magic number or has this been changed?

Dur to a computer crash, I have lost my favorite program and I forget the name to download it again. It is shareware. I liked the program so well that I actually paid for it. The name under the icon begins with 'C'. It loads and displays PBN files. It does double dummy analysis. You can move cards around in a what if scenario. You can bid the hands and add notes. It deals random and constrained hands. It will save the hands in PBN, PDF, and HTML formats. I am pretty sure I learned about the program via email. Backup, backup, backup. Anyway, I would sure appreciate it if someone could point me to obtaining another copy of the file. I love BBO and there software but I sometimes have a little different application. To tell the truth, my own programs create PBN files and I don't want to go back and rewrite them to create LIN files.
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Posted 2010-November-19, 22:42

View PostTcyk, on 2010-November-16, 23:22, said:

Dur to a computer crash, I have lost my favorite program and I forget the name to download it again. It is shareware. I liked the program so well that I actually paid for it. The name under the icon begins with 'C'. It loads and displays PBN files. It does double dummy analysis. You can move cards around in a what if scenario. You can bid the hands and add notes. It deals random and constrained hands. It will save the hands in PBN, PDF, and HTML formats. I am pretty sure I learned about the program via email. Backup, backup, backup. Anyway, I would sure appreciate it if someone could point me to obtaining another copy of the file.


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Posted 2010-November-20, 01:52

UK waste time\


If UK say something....if not...complete waste of time and play in usa.
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