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#1 User is offline   Nilz 

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Posted 2010-October-15, 07:37

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1NT-(P)-2♣-(x)
xx-(P)-?


Double is lead directional. (a) Would you ever sit for this contract?
(b) If so, would you ever sit if 1NT was 12-14?
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Posted 2010-October-15, 07:49

(a) maybe if I had four clubs instead of one. With the actual hand? No way. 2♠.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 08:02

a ) Yes, but not with this hand
b ) No
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Posted 2010-October-15, 08:42

XX is takeout, 2♠
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Posted 2010-October-15, 08:48

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

XX is takeout, 2♠

XX usually suggests playing in 2♣XX
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:13

gordontd, on Oct 15 2010, 07:48 AM, said:

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

XX is takeout, 2♠

XX usually suggests playing in 2♣XX

Oops, yes
I was thinking of 1N (X) XX
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:24

That usually suggests playing in 1NTXX.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:36

As a general rule, don't ever sit if you intended to garbage stayman before. Only sit with honour doubleton or three cards and inv+ strength.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:55

2♠, quickly. Even if pard is on 5 clubs, this won't play well. XX here is for blood.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 09:58

xx for me is a suggestion to play showing 5 or a good 4 cards. It would not cross my mind to sit for it opposite a weak NT - opposite a strong NT it would cross my mind - and then I'd think better of it.

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Posted 2010-October-15, 11:29

keylime, on Oct 15 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

2♠, quickly. Even if pard is on 5 clubs, this won't play well. XX here is for blood.

I agree with the bid, if not the pace of the bid. ;)
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Posted 2010-October-15, 13:56

hanp, on Oct 15 2010, 08:24 AM, said:

That usually suggests playing in 1NTXX.

You are kidding, right?
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Posted 2010-October-15, 14:47

Why would I start with 2♣? What is your plan if partner responds 2♦?
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-15, 17:52

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 02:56 PM, said:

hanp, on Oct 15 2010, 08:24 AM, said:

That usually suggests playing in 1NTXX.

You are kidding, right?

He's not kidding. It depends on your agreement. But it is far from standard for redouble of a NT contract to be SOS/takeout.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 19:01

jillybean, on Oct 15 2010, 02:56 PM, said:

hanp, on Oct 15 2010, 08:24 AM, said:

That usually suggests playing in 1NTXX.

You are kidding, right?

I think over artificial X of 1NT, it is almost mandatory to play XX as business. Also, the word "takeout" seems strange here; no suit has been bid, and I couldn't grasp the concept of "4-suit takeout".
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-15, 19:04

Art -

True. Gotta bid "in tempo", darn it.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 02:16

gwnn, on Oct 15 2010, 05:36 PM, said:

As a general rule, don't ever sit if you intended to garbage stayman before. Only sit with honour doubleton or three cards and inv+ strength.

I would pass it with ♣ & ♦ switched
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Posted 2010-October-16, 07:18

bucky, on Oct 16 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

I think over artificial X of 1NT, it is almost mandatory to play XX as business. Also, the word "takeout" seems strange here; no suit has been bid, and I couldn't grasp the concept of "4-suit takeout".

Mandatory? I am guessing you only have experience of a strong NT. I would suggest to you that the vast majority of weak and mini NTers play XX here in some conventional way. Some play it as any 1-suiter, some as clubs, some as a weak 4333 hand. But very very few play it as business.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 09:38

Zelandakh, on Oct 16 2010, 02:18 PM, said:

bucky, on Oct 16 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

I think over artificial X of 1NT, it is almost mandatory to play XX as business. Also, the word "takeout" seems strange here; no suit has been bid, and I couldn't grasp the concept of "4-suit takeout".

Mandatory? I am guessing you only have experience of a strong NT. I would suggest to you that the vast majority of weak and mini NTers play XX here in some conventional way. Some play it as any 1-suiter, some as clubs, some as a weak 4333 hand. But very very few play it as business.

Well, he said "over artificial X of 1NT". Typically if you are playing a weak NT your opponent's double is not artificial.
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Posted 2010-October-16, 10:51

campboy, on Oct 16 2010, 10:38 AM, said:

Zelandakh, on Oct 16 2010, 02:18 PM, said:

bucky, on Oct 16 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

I think over artificial X of 1NT, it is almost mandatory to play XX as business. Also, the word "takeout" seems strange here; no suit has been bid, and I couldn't grasp the concept of "4-suit takeout".

Mandatory? I am guessing you only have experience of a strong NT. I would suggest to you that the vast majority of weak and mini NTers play XX here in some conventional way. Some play it as any 1-suiter, some as clubs, some as a weak 4333 hand. But very very few play it as business.

Well, he said "over artificial X of 1NT". Typically if you are playing a weak NT your opponent's double is not artificial.

that doesn't mean rewind can't be business
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