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the bidding went 1♠-2♦-p(too weak for 2♠)-3♣-p-3n all pass
on this deal i was sitting north playing declarer, but i thought this problem is worth taking a look from the defense.
edit: i was sitting east. not north. sorry!
Anything on defense? Select an opening lead
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Posted 2010-October-04, 06:50
the bidding went 1♠-2♦-p(too weak for 2♠)-3♣-p-3n all pass
on this deal i was sitting north playing declarer, but i thought this problem is worth taking a look from the defense.
edit: i was sitting east. not north. sorry!
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Posted 2010-October-04, 07:31
The way you posed the problem north was dealer, opened 1S and ended up defending.
Anyway, I would lead the spade 2 and I don't think there is any alternative.
Anyway, I would lead the spade 2 and I don't think there is any alternative.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-04, 07:39
Partner must have 4+♥, so ♥T is in fact an alternative.
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Posted 2010-October-04, 08:04
I don't think partner must have 4+ hearts (overcaller can have 3451 shape and advancer 2416 shape for example). Maybe the heart 10 is a viable alternative though, I didn't give it enough thought.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-04, 08:31
hanp, on Oct 4 2010, 03:04 PM, said:
I don't think partner must have 4+ hearts (overcaller can have 3451 shape and advancer 2416 shape for example). Maybe the heart 10 is a viable alternative though, I didn't give it enough thought.
Wouldn't overcaller bid 3♥ in that case? There's still room for his partner to bid 3♠ as a stopper ask, so it's safe.
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Posted 2010-October-04, 09:22
2♠
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-October-05, 06:20
ok. the all of you got the answer. my opps led the 9♠, kind of a "standard lead" which is meant to tell partner he had no honors. However, it promoted my 8♠ into a stopper. alright. the calls are kind of ambiguous, and i played this deal quite some time ago, where my skills were kind of weak.
The entire deal:
To think back, my 2♦ bid is actually questionable, so is my partner's 3♣. My 3n bid was based on the fact that i believe my A♣ will help in running the suit, and most importantly, stopper in ♠s.
The entire deal:
To think back, my 2♦ bid is actually questionable, so is my partner's 3♣. My 3n bid was based on the fact that i believe my A♣ will help in running the suit, and most importantly, stopper in ♠s.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 06:47
3C is not questionable imo, and neither was 3NT. It is a game I would like to reach. I don't mind the 2D bid either, decent hand and good fillers in the diamond suit.
I would lead the 9 if had a doubleton, the 2 when I have 3. It's that easy.
I would lead the 9 if had a doubleton, the 2 when I have 3. It's that easy.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 07:06
Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit?
My opps play high from xxx as their standard lead.
Also, when I learn about signalling, something that I have failed at understanding: when can a spot card be used as a signal, and when can it not? I know that signalling is less important than winning tricks. If I suspect that the card is needed, I do not make that discard. However, how I have made mistakes by discarding 8s and 9s, and once a 6, without even suspecting that I would need it. How do I determine if it is neccessary? If this is a question that is too tough for B/I, please let me know.
If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it?
My opps play high from xxx as their standard lead.
Also, when I learn about signalling, something that I have failed at understanding: when can a spot card be used as a signal, and when can it not? I know that signalling is less important than winning tricks. If I suspect that the card is needed, I do not make that discard. However, how I have made mistakes by discarding 8s and 9s, and once a 6, without even suspecting that I would need it. How do I determine if it is neccessary? If this is a question that is too tough for B/I, please let me know.
If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it?
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Posted 2010-October-05, 07:15
1axbycz1, on Oct 5 2010, 02:06 PM, said:
If I change the deal slightly, swapping the ♠4 with partner's ♦3, would you still lead the ♠2? I know very well that on this deal that the contract is now undefeatable, but just asking, would you still lead it?
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I would lead the 9 if had a doubleton, the 2 when I have 3. It's that easy.
There's your answer.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 08:26
1axbycz1, on Oct 5 2010, 08:06 AM, said:
Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit?
Only if playing partner's suit, and only when I haven't supported. I realize that many of your opponents don't know this but I would indeed consider this "standard".
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 08:33
hanp, on Oct 5 2010, 09:26 AM, said:
1axbycz1, on Oct 5 2010, 08:06 AM, said:
Ok. So that's your standard leads. Is that your general standrad lead, or do you only lead that if playing partner's suit?
Only if playing partner's suit, and only when I haven't supported. I realize that many of your opponents don't know this but I would indeed consider this "standard".
I can second this
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2010-October-05, 10:20
A lot of folk in England think MUD is standard - not that I like it. The 9 would be normal with most of my partners and follow up with the 4.
Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership.
Nick
Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership.
Nick
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 11:37
Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-October-05, 17:01
hanp, on Oct 5 2010, 05:37 PM, said:
Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too.
In England it is standard to lead lowest from xxx in partner's suit if unsupported or highest if you have shown support. In an unbid suit most lead the middle one so all 3 cards are possible on lead from xxx!
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Posted 2010-October-05, 17:17
We have 3 spades and 2 hearts. Partner has 5+ spades definitely, and 4+ hearts probably. So what exactly makes a heart a reasonable option?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-October-06, 09:01
Zelandakh, on Oct 5 2010, 11:01 PM, said:
hanp, on Oct 5 2010, 05:37 PM, said:
Normal for xxx in partner's suit in your partnership. I believe it's the small one in England too.
In England it is standard to lead lowest from xxx in partner's suit if unsupported or highest if you have shown support. In an unbid suit most lead the middle one so all 3 cards are possible on lead from xxx!
Yes - well - a lot of club players like you to lead H from Hxx in partners suit regardless of whether support has been shown or not - not that I like it.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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NickRW, on Oct 6 2010, 03:01 PM, said:
Yes - well - a lot of club players like you to lead H from Hxx in partners suit regardless of whether support has been shown or not - not that I like it.
Some do it is true. But again standard would be the lowest from Hxx if you have not show support. After showing support you can choose the H or the x depending on how you visualise the hand and (sometimes) whether you have managed to promise the honour during the bidding.
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NickRW, on 2010-October-05, 10:20, said:
A lot of folk in England think MUD is standard - not that I like it. The 9 would be normal with most of my partners and follow up with the 4.
Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership.
Nick
Perhaps more to the point, one leads a ♠ and chooses whichever one is normal from xxx in your partnership.
Nick
MUD = middle upper lower, if you use mud, the 4 would be led first followed by the 9
in standard leads, if you play 9 first and then 4, that would confuse your p into thinking you have a doubleton. 942, i feel you should play the 2.