[Fluffy]

MPs, NS vul.

♠Kxxx
♥-
♦AKQJxxx
♣Jx


NS Vul, RHO opened 2♥ weak and you decided today to just bid 3♦ as the quickest route to 3NT


and it went

(2♥)-3♦-(pass)-3♥
( X ) -3♠-( 4♥ )- X
(pass)-??

[dake50]

Tempted to bounce opponents to sac decision over 6D.
Nah, partner is right. Take the set.

[aguahombre]

What do I have that I haven't shown? Pard chose to defend.

[ceeb]

Which side is vulnerable, i.e. which side is NS?

[Fluffy]

ceeb, on Sep 27 2010, 02:07 AM, said:

Which side is vulnerable, i.e. which side is NS?

us

[ONEferBRID]

What was 3♥?

A cuebid in support of Diam? or a stop-ask? or a general force?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I almost overlooked the first DBL ( by Opener ) .
Shouldn't Overcaller make a RDBL ? ( to show 1st Round Ctrl of Hts ).

[hanp]

aguahombre, on Sep 26 2010, 08:15 PM, said:

What do I have that I haven't shown? Pard chose to defend.

How about, a solid 7-card suit and a void?

Partner isn't loaded in hearts, he would have bid 3NT or passed 3D. Instead he bid 3H. We're going to have to make the decision whether to defend or bid on together. Partner's double is his best description in light of what he has already bid. It's not an order for us to pass.

I think it is clear to bid on. I would say we have considerable extra values but for Fluffy this is probably close to a pass of 2H, in which case 5D is sufficient.

[rhm]

5♦ looks clearcut to me.
Passing is only right if neither 4♥ nor 5♦ makes, which is possible but unlikely.

[Fluffy]

I was more interested in the other choices: 4NT and 5♣

I am playing horribly latelly, but on this one, with partner either having no values in hearts, or a hand too strong to bid 3NT, this seems to belong to the slam zone.

[Free]

aguahombre, on Sep 27 2010, 02:15 AM, said:

What do I have that I haven't shown?  Pard chose to defend.

A couple of extra ♦s and a useful void where partner doesn't have too much values in... I bid 5♦, sorry fluf

[Fluffy]

partner had

♠xx
♥xxx
♦10x
♣AKQxxx

5♦ finished the auction, but 5♣ showing our heart shortness would had worked very well on the hand given. Nevermind, 640 was still worth 80% of the MPs.

[jdonn]

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2010, 11:37 AM, said:

partner had

♠xx
♥xxx
♦10x
♣AKQxxx

5♦ finished the auction, but 5♣ showing our heart shortness would had worked very well on the hand given. Nevermind, 640 was still worth 80% of the MPs.

The opponents bid to 4♥ and partner has xxx. And we pulled an optional double. I think our heart shortness is known.

[bucky]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 27 2010, 04:56 AM, said:

What was 3♥?

A cuebid in support of Diam? or a stop-ask? or a general force?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I almost overlooked the first DBL ( by Opener ) .
Shouldn't Overcaller make a RDBL ? ( to show 1st Round Ctrl of Hts ).

I think 3♥ shows general value (and denies 5+ good spades). It doesn't have to promise diamond fit (although often partner will have diamond tolerance). Since we haven't established a fit, it is more important to bid 3♠ to show my shape (also to uncover a possible spade fit) than to XX for 1st round control.

[bucky]

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2010, 11:37 AM, said:

partner had

♠xx
♥xxx
♦10x
♣AKQxxx

5♦ finished the auction, but 5♣ showing our heart shortness would had worked very well on the hand given. Nevermind, 640 was still worth 80% of the MPs.

From partner's perspective, the bidding certainly indicates heart shortness in your hand. But as long as partner cannot be certain on its being void, it is hard to move toward slam. The bidding would be consistent with you having Kxxx, x, AKQJxx, xx

[junyi_zhu]

Fluffy, on Sep 26 2010, 11:31 PM, said:

MPs, NS vul.

♠Kxxx
♥-
♦AKQJxxx
♣Jx


NS Vul, RHO opened 2♥ weak and you decided today to just bid 3♦ as the quickest route to 3NT


and it went

(2♥)-3♦-(pass)-3♥
( X ) -3♠-( 4♥ )- X
(pass)-??

This is a clear 6D hand. Well, 7D can be possible, but you may not have good gadgets to explore. Partner's 3H shows doubt in 3NT, so he can't hold a lot of value in H. After you show both D and S, he shows no interest at all. Therefore, he must either have a club one suiter, or a hand with good hearts but too good to bid 3NT. In both cases, you should push to 6D, which should offer you a very reasonable play.

[rhm]

Fluffy, on Sep 29 2010, 11:37 AM, said:

partner had

♠xx
♥xxx
♦10x
♣AKQxxx

5♦ finished the auction, but 5♣ showing our heart shortness would had worked very well on the hand given. Nevermind, 640 was still worth 80% of the MPs.

It would not occur to me to double 4♥ with this hand after having shown values already with a cuebid.
At some stage you should bid a near solid suit and having failed to do so over 3♦ I would now bid 5♣.
I can understand a forcing Pass instead of 5♣, but Double, in particular when in front of partner known to be short in ♥, should show a much less offensive oriented hand.

Rainer Herrmann

[Fluffy]

It was more a problem of limiting an unlimited hand. I was surprised by dummy also, but he had his reasons.

[rhm]

Fluffy, on Sep 30 2010, 07:16 AM, said:

It was more a problem of limiting an unlimited hand. I was surprised by dummy also, but he had his reasons.

Nowadays everyone defines his doubles differently.
To me, simple soul, a double of a high level contract suggest defense and therefor a defensively oriented hand in the light of the bidding so far.
A (forcing) Pass suggests uncertainty (initially at least) and therefor less defensively oriented values and leaves the final decision to partner.
A bid suggests an hand, which is much better for offense than defense.

I would put partner's hand in the last category but due to its limited overall strength I can understand Pass.

Rainer Herrmann