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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2010-September-23, 02:12

Scoring: IMP


2 on your right (5-5 spades and another weak). Your bid?

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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:32

I'd double and pass 4H. In my partnership partner always has 5 hearts (else he bids a positive 2NT).
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:48

Lacking a specialized bid (like a direct 3 cue), I'd dbl. Then pull 4 to 5.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 05:06

I already showed D+C with 3H over 2S.
Now partner's 4H is near sufficient suit and he did no Q, so 4H is it.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:26

dake50, on Sep 23 2010, 06:06 AM, said:

I already showed D+C with 3H over 2S.
Now partner's 4H is near sufficient suit and he did no Q, so 4H is it.

Care to clarify why 3 overcall by you should show D+C?
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:41

lmilne, on Sep 23 2010, 08:12 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP


2 on your right (5-5 spades and another weak). Your bid?

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We play 3S over 2S to show minors, good hands.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 01:24

I had X and if partner had bid hearts, I had wondered which second suit RHO holds.
I bet the hearts are 5521 around the table, but I have no tool to recover now anyway- 5 club shows another hand.
Kind Regards

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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:09

Why not just overcall 3? We are on the 3 level, we really don't have that much extra. I don't understand many peoples' choices on this hand!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:31

junyi_zhu, on Sep 23 2010, 02:41 PM, said:

lmilne, on Sep 23 2010, 08:12 AM, said:

Dealer: East
Vul: Both
Scoring: IMP
QT
Qx
AKQJ
AQ9xx
 


2 on your right (5-5 spades and another weak).  Your bid?

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We play 3S over 2S to show minors, good hands.

Me, too. But having that agreement, and using it with this hand are two different things, IMO.

Josh's 3C overcall could work out badly, but could also work out very well and might take care of the hidden-case problem. If pard advances to 3 or 4 hearts/ the 3C overcall, we will know what is going on in hearts; which we wouldn't know if we doubled.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2010-September-24, 11:18

aguahombre, on Sep 24 2010, 03:31 PM, said:

junyi_zhu, on Sep 23 2010, 02:41 PM, said:

lmilne, on Sep 23 2010, 08:12 AM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> East </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> QT </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> Qx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AKQJ </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AQ9xx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

2 on your right (5-5 spades and another weak).  Your bid?

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We play 3S over 2S to show minors, good hands.

Me, too. But having that agreement, and using it with this hand are two different things, IMO.

Josh's 3C overcall could work out badly, but could also work out very well and might take care of the hidden-case problem. If pard advances to 3 or 4 hearts/ the 3C overcall, we will know what is going on in hearts; which we wouldn't know if we doubled.

Well, at least 3S shows the overall strength and distribution. So I am happy with that. Whether partner may find 4H is not that an important problem comparing with showing the strength and shape. 3S may lead to rather successful 3NT, 5m often, and sometimes, when partner holds 6 good Hearts, we may be able to play 4H too.
3C is an underbid, although not by much I admit. This hand doesn't really need much to make 3NT, Kxx JTxx xx JTx can offer a very reasonable play in 3NT. Hands like xxx AJx xxxxxx x can offer reasonable play in 5D. None of above can be achieved if you overcall 3C.
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