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Posted 2010-September-22, 11:06

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RHO opens 1S, all red. Your call?

Say you pass as I did, and it goes 2S pass pass, will you balance?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 11:15

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if it goes pass 2 pass pass I will balance with 2N.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 11:23

I will clearly balance at MPs, IMPs I am not so sure

its a wtp pass over 1

balance with 2NT against good opps, against bad opps just 3, they always bid 3 over it.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 11:42

Fluffy, on Sep 22 2010, 11:23 AM, said:

I will clearly balance at MPs, IMPs I am not so sure

its a wtp pass over 1

balance with 2NT against good opps, against bad opps just 3, they always bid 3 over it.

After passing over 1S, how do you recover from balancing with 2NT versus the good opps? I can understand how it would work with minors or with reds, but not with 2-5-2-4.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 12:44

2. I would not have overcalled 2m, but 2 has extra upside.

I don't understand balancing with 2NT either. If we don't balance 3, then why not double? After double we can pass 3 in comfort, but if we balance 2NT, partner could be 3433 or something for a 3 preference.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 02:17

Would overcall 2 over 1. After this auction I balance with 3.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 02:21

Would double 1S and obv X 2S
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Posted 2010-September-23, 03:47

Echo on justin.

The first double risks playing some idiotic 4-2 or 5-2 diamond fit, but that the worst-case-scenario and I'm an optimist lol.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 04:07

I don't like double of 1.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 04:10

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Posted 2010-September-23, 04:36

I passed initially and doubled 2S. Partner bid 2NT, I bid 3C, he bid 3D, I bid 3H and the opponents bid 3S, down 1.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 06:33

I would've overcalled 2.

If I had passed like you did, I think Dbl is way better than 2NT. If partner then bids 3 it's usually a 5+ card suit, if he has 2 suits you're sure you'll get to a fit.
Balancing with 2NT doesn't give you that much information. What should partner do with 4-4 reds over 2NT? He'll bid 3 and you won't know what to do.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:13

I overcall 2 for sure. There are certain weird doubles of 1 I don't mind making but I don't like it at all on this hand.

Of course I would balance although that's far from being very safe, not only could we possibly have no 8 card fit but even if we do I can't think of a strategy guaranteed to find it. Double with the plan to bid 3 over 3 is probably best but even then partner can be 3163 or something.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:31

Strange you wouldn't overcall this but Kx K Kxxxxx Qxxx is an overcall.

I'm in for 2.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:32

If I am going to balance (not sure), X is infinitely better than 2NT. Now with 4-4 in minors partner can bid 2NT to let me choose. If partner bids 3 I have yet another guess to make, but it is no worse than if I balance with 2NT and partner bids 3.
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-24, 01:21

I had overcalled for Michaels reasoning.

Ha I failed to do so -and maybe this had been the much wisr descisssion anyway..), I would now only balance at mps -with 3 .
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