[gwnn]

Scoring: IMP

1♣-p-2♥-??

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1♣ showed 16+ with any shape and 2♥ showed 4-7 points with 6 hearts.

If you pass, would you overcall when NV? If you pass even then, could you approximately explain what criteria you apply? This is a situation that I've never given thought to so before. Maybe because it is not so important.

[bucky]

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2♥, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?

[Flameous]

Won't bid, I don't see much reason for it. They likely have game, we are unlikely to sac and I'd just tell how to play the hand. Of course I direct the right lead but I don't find it worth it. NV it's borderline, if I was 5134 it would be much more clear to bid.

[JLOGIC]

please pass

[jdonn]

bucky, on Sep 17 2010, 03:23 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2♥, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?

Sounds like good logic to me.

[gwnn]

to be honest I was not really thinking of acting on this particular hand (even though the well-known guy on BBO bid 2♠, I don't generally like his style of bidding) but it got me thinking what handtypes should act here?

is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2♦-?

[rbforster]

bucky, on Sep 17 2010, 03:23 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2♥, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?

Of course LHO having 16+ changes your action. More specifically, it means that partner knows that we are not trying for game (they have showed 20+), so he knows to take my bid competitively. In contrast, over their weak 2♥, it's important for us to look for our spade game, so both my overcall and partner's advances will be generally aimed more constructively.

I bid 2♠ for the lead, although I'm not strongly in favor of it with this hand/colors. Add the J♠ and I want to overcall here almost always and I still wouldn't overcall directly with my poor 11 count over a weak 2♥.

[Siegmund]

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is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2♦-?

It's much closer to the set of hands that acts over a weak two opener, than to the set that acts after that auction. 2D is unlimited; but it's still more limited than over a 1950s-era 1NT-p-2H, since the 1C opener is much less defined shapewise than over 1NT.

As mentioned, you're not worried about game your way - but you are at the 2-level and you need to be prepared to survive having a strongish hand on your left not being able to nail you too easily.

The posted hand I would bid NV-only-and-MP-only.

[jjbrr]

gwnn r u srs?

[hanp]

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is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2♦-?

No, it's more dangerous as LHO doesn't need to have any hearts.

[MFA]

Pass. Too risky and pointless to bid. I don't see bidding for the lead. We are on lead against hearts ourselves, so it's only relevant when LHO misfits hearts, and then bidding seems particularly dangerous.