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Poll: your call (23 member(s) have cast votes)

your call

  1. pass (15 votes [65.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.22%

  2. x (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 2[sp] (8 votes [34.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.78%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-September-17, 14:12

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1-p-2-??


1 showed 16+ with any shape and 2 showed 4-7 points with 6 hearts.

If you pass, would you overcall when NV? If you pass even then, could you approximately explain what criteria you apply? This is a situation that I've never given thought to so before. Maybe because it is not so important.
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Posted 2010-September-17, 14:23

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?
 
 
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Posted 2010-September-17, 14:25

Won't bid, I don't see much reason for it. They likely have game, we are unlikely to sac and I'd just tell how to play the hand. Of course I direct the right lead but I don't find it worth it. NV it's borderline, if I was 5134 it would be much more clear to bid.
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Posted 2010-September-17, 16:12

please pass
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Posted 2010-September-17, 16:13

bucky, on Sep 17 2010, 03:23 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?

Sounds like good logic to me.
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Posted 2010-September-17, 16:20

to be honest I was not really thinking of acting on this particular hand (even though the well-known guy on BBO bid 2, I don't generally like his style of bidding) but it got me thinking what handtypes should act here?

is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2-?
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Posted 2010-September-18, 01:02

bucky, on Sep 17 2010, 03:23 PM, said:

Ask yourself this: if RHO is dealer and opened 2, would you overcall? Now does the knowledge that LHO has 16+ change your action?

Of course LHO having 16+ changes your action. More specifically, it means that partner knows that we are not trying for game (they have showed 20+), so he knows to take my bid competitively. In contrast, over their weak 2, it's important for us to look for our spade game, so both my overcall and partner's advances will be generally aimed more constructively.

I bid 2 for the lead, although I'm not strongly in favor of it with this hand/colors. Add the J and I want to overcall here almost always and I still wouldn't overcall directly with my poor 11 count over a weak 2.
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Posted 2010-September-18, 01:15

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is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2♦-?


It's much closer to the set of hands that acts over a weak two opener, than to the set that acts after that auction. 2D is unlimited; but it's still more limited than over a 1950s-era 1NT-p-2H, since the 1C opener is much less defined shapewise than over 1NT.

As mentioned, you're not worried about game your way - but you are at the 2-level and you need to be prepared to survive having a strongish hand on your left not being able to nail you too easily.

The posted hand I would bid NV-only-and-MP-only.
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Posted 2010-September-18, 02:12

gwnn r u srs?
OK
bed
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Posted 2010-September-18, 02:19

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is it just practically the same category of hands that acts over

1NT-p-2♦-?


No, it's more dangerous as LHO doesn't need to have any hearts.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-18, 05:10

Pass. Too risky and pointless to bid. I don't see bidding for the lead. We are on lead against hearts ourselves, so it's only relevant when LHO misfits hearts, and then bidding seems particularly dangerous.
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