[gurgistan]

Scoring: IMP

This is my 2nd hand with this particular unknown Dutch partner.

I open in 3rd seat with 2♣. Partner bids 2♥. I bid 2♠. Partner rebids 3♣. I take this as some kind of double negative and rebid 3♠ and expect it to be passed out there. Partner initiates 1430 RKB with 4N. I reply 5♣. He signs off with 5♠. I bid 6♠ as I have four keycards not one.

Questions:
1. Assuming he is weak, was 3♠ correct?

2. Assuming he has 2 tricks and 5 cards in hearts, what should I have been bidding after his 2♥ bid and subsequent 3♣ bid?

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[gwnn]

What was 2♥?

If 2♥ was natural then it must be positive GF and 3♣ must be another natural bid.

You're right though, when you show 1/4 and partner signs off, you should bid 6, or bid your cheapest king (which you don't have here)

[hanp]

If 2H is positive, 3C is not double negative. If 2H is negative, partner already told you he has nothing so it's no use to play double negatives there.

I would not play bridge with a particular Dutch partner. I hope this is not the same guy.

[manudude03]

I'm a little confused. If partner has 2/3 top honours in ♥, he can't have a double negative. Your bidding is right in both instances once you decide to open 2♣ (not strong enough for me).

[pooltuna]

Q1) I wouldn't have opened with 2♣ as for being weak generally two methods are available 2♦ is a "waiting bid" with either 3♣ the double negative(i.e. no A or K) or cheapest rebid above 3♣. The alternative to this is 2♥ is an immediate negative(i.e. no A or K) with 2NT=♥ suit but positive while 2♦ is positive with no biddable suit(needs agreement on what this means). Consequently either 2♥ is a positive response or an immediate negative depending on your agreement and as a result 3♣ is a natural call.

Q2) probably 2♠ and 4♠(hopefully some kind of fast arrival)

[pooltuna]

hanp, on Sep 14 2010, 10:49 AM, said:

If 2H is positive, 3C is not double negative. If 2H is negative, partner already told you he has nothing so it's no use to play double negatives there.

I would not play bridge with a particular Dutch partner. I hope this is not the same guy.

and I thought you were all the same, wooden-shoe, thumb in the dyke, guys

[ONEferBRID]

gwnn, on Sep 14 2010, 10:49 AM, said:

What was 2♥?

If 2♥ was natural then it must be positive GF and 3♣ must be another natural bid.

You're right though, when you show 1/4 and partner signs off, you should bid 6, or bid your cheapest king (which you don't have here)

I agree with the 2♥ = GF ( and should mean 5+cd suit w/2 of top 3 honors ).

However, after the 5♠ "sign-off, then you should reply as if there were a trump Q-ask when you have "top" number of key cards:

5NT = sQ but no outside K or "important" Q (ie. the hQ of partner's suit )
  6C = sQ + cK
  6D = sQ + dK
  6H = sQ + hK or hQ
  6S = no sQ

Here your reply should have been 5NT ( NT shows the asked for feature, sQ, with no other outside K or partner's suit Q ).

♠ AKQ965
♥ A2
♦ AQ9
♣ T8

[gurgistan]

gwnn, on Sep 14 2010, 10:49 AM, said:

What was 2♥?

If 2♥ was natural then it must be positive GF and 3♣ must be another natural bid.

You're right though, when you show 1/4 and partner signs off, you should bid 6, or bid your cheapest king (which you don't have here)

I cannot see the purpose of bidding cheapest King if I have 4 keycards. Is it to keep open some kind of Grand Slam try. Please elaborate.

[gwnn]

Yes, grand slam try. Of course this occurs a little more often if you showed 0/3 and partner asked with 2 but the idea is the same. You want to show partner that you have 3, not 0, and if he was possibly interested in Grand, start showing him your kings.

[billw55]

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He signs off with 5♠. I bid 6♠ as I have four keycards not one.

You opened two clubs. I'm pretty sure partner is not playing you for one keycard. Furthermore opening 2♣ at all with this hand is pushy, and certainly after rebidding 3♠ you have a rock bottom minimum. Pass seems called for.

[ArtK78]

billw55, on Sep 15 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

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He signs off with 5♠. I bid 6♠ as I have four keycards not one.

You opened two clubs. I'm pretty sure partner is not playing you for one keycard. Furthermore opening 2♣ at all with this hand is pushy, and certainly after rebidding 3♠ you have a rock bottom minimum. Pass seems called for.

When playing 1430 or even 0314, one ALWAYS assumes the lower number of key cards is shown. Over the signoff, the one showing the key cards is expected to continue with the higher number as if opener made the next available ask.

While it may be hard to construct a 2♣ opener with only one key card, it is not impossible, and you don't know what partner is looking at. It is best not to assume that partner "knows" that you have the higher number of key cards.

[billw55]

ArtK78, on Sep 15 2010, 12:57 PM, said:

When playing 1430 or even 0314, one ALWAYS assumes the lower number of key cards is shown.  Over the signoff, the one showing the key cards is expected to continue with the higher number as if opener made the next available ask.

While it may be hard to construct a 2♣ opener with only one key card, it is not impossible, and you don't know what partner is looking at.  It is best not to assume that partner "knows" that you have the higher number of key cards.

hmm, never heard of that one. It sounds like there is no way for asker to sign off in 5M?

[PassedOut]

billw55, on Sep 15 2010, 01:02 PM, said:

hmm, never heard of that one. It sounds like there is no way for asker to sign off in 5M?

That's standard, AFIK. Shouldn't be forcing to the five-level off three key cards.