No Keycards? So 6H! Rate this bid
#2
Posted 2010-September-13, 07:33
Edit: thought 5♣ response.
#3
Posted 2010-September-13, 07:47
#4
Posted 2010-September-13, 08:13
#5
Posted 2010-September-13, 08:14
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
#6
Posted 2010-September-13, 08:18
#7
Posted 2010-September-13, 08:20
hanp, on Sep 13 2010, 09:18 AM, said:
That's fine but the Blind Pig rule will eventually bite you
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
#8
Posted 2010-September-13, 08:29
#9
Posted 2010-September-13, 09:24
p - 1D
1H - 4D! = strong 4h/6d
#10
Posted 2010-September-13, 09:33
manudude03, on Sep 13 2010, 08:33 AM, said:
Edit: thought 5♣ response.
I do not understand why I would bid 3♠ first. I have no spades! Please explain.
From another post, it appears 3♠ is a splinter but I need a spade to splinter yes? or is it ok to "lie"?
#11
Posted 2010-September-13, 09:46
#12
Posted 2010-September-13, 10:06
gurgistan, on Sep 13 2010, 03:33 PM, said:
manudude03, on Sep 13 2010, 08:33 AM, said:
Edit: thought 5♣ response.
I do not understand why I would bid 3♠ first. I have no spades! Please explain.
From another post, it appears 3♠ is a splinter but I need a spade to splinter yes? or is it ok to "lie"?
You also need to be interested on how many aces does partner have in his hand when you bid 4NT, why isn't it a lie?
#13
Posted 2010-September-13, 10:11
gurgistan, on Sep 13 2010, 10:33 AM, said:
From another post, it appears 3♠ is a splinter but I need a spade to splinter yes? or is it ok to "lie"?
Since you didn't post this in B/I (where it belongs) I won't hold anything back when I tell you that I think blasting into RKCB and then bidding slam after PD shows no key cards is AWFUL and nothing but a guess and a gamble.
Who ever told you that you can't splinter with a void?
You should either splinter 3♠ or bid 4♦ which as Don says should show the special hand with 4♥ and 6♦ and for me good cards in both suits and quite slam invitational.
After either bid, respect partners sign off as he can be minimum and have wasted HCP in ♠ as well as 4 weakish trumps.
Another possibility is to jump directly to 4♠ as Exclusion but it is still possible to pd to have a min and the 5 level isn't safe.
If slam has good play you can get there by slower and safer routes than blasting to RKCB and then (LOL) bidding slam when PD has ZERO key cards.
I would clearly splinter 3♠ and then I'd love to hear PD cooperate with a ♣ cue.
As for rating your bidding on this hand...well frankly I give it 0 out of 10.
.. neilkaz ..
#14
Posted 2010-September-13, 10:13
ONEferBRID, on Sep 13 2010, 09:24 AM, said:
p - 1D
1H - 4D! = strong 4h/6d
C-W-N-N is used differently by some of us, and this hand has two flaws for us:
The spade void which gives us control in every suit but will make partner's evaluation as responder difficult. AND
It is in-between our two C-W-N-N rebids (4C=slammish, and 4D=weakish with everything in the two suits).
3S seems like the default bid which helps partner the most; will abide by a signoff.
#15
Posted 2010-September-13, 10:56
aguahombre, on Sep 13 2010, 11:13 AM, said:
ONEferBRID, on Sep 13 2010, 09:24 AM, said:
p - 1D
1H - 4D! = strong 4h/6d
C-W-N-N is used differently by some of us, and this hand has two flaws for us:
The spade void which gives us control in every suit but will make partner's evaluation as responder difficult. AND
It is in-between our two C-W-N-N rebids (4C=slammish, and 4D=weakish with everything in the two suits).
3S seems like the default bid which helps partner the most; will abide by a signoff.
I'm interested in the "rebids" for the C-W-N-N.
Where is the 4C! "rebid" used ?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
For me a 3S! splinter would be less shapely, say 1 4 5 3,
but I agree the present hand is rather "heavy".
3S! might work better because of more exloration room, say a welcomed 4C! cuebid by Responder. You could then use the Meckwell "toy" of 4NT! as voidwood for Hts ( excluding the Sp Ace ), whereas 4S! would be kickback RKC for Hts .
#16
Posted 2010-September-13, 11:25
#17
Posted 2010-September-13, 11:32
gurgistan, on Sep 13 2010, 01:29 PM, said:
I open in 3rd seat with 1♦. Regular partner bids 1♥. I bid 4N RKB1430. Partner responds 5♦. I place in 6♥. Opponents are silent throughout.
How bad/good was my placing of contract in heart slam?
The technically correct bid for this hand is 5NT to ask for trump strength, or some type of ERKC in S. Also, if you play 4S as kickback, it's possible to use 4NT as ERKC in S.
#18
Posted 2010-September-13, 11:34
ONEferBRID, on Sep 13 2010, 10:56 AM, said:
[b]Where is the 4C! "rebid" used ?[/b
It was actually called "Walsh Fragments" or "6-4 Fragments".
The distinction between a 4C and a 4D rebid after 1m-1M is in the top two paragraphs of Hardy's orange book, page 9.
The use of the word "fragment" was strange because the frag suit was unknown, which might be why convention with no name emerged. (Or maybe the 4-card Major was the fragment
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2010-September-13, 11:47
#19
Posted 2010-September-13, 14:52
PetteriLem, on Sep 13 2010, 12:25 PM, said:
I am very interested in the idea of 5♥ asking for trump quality.
Presumably, if partner is good he bids 6♥ and passes if poor.
Is this a recognized convention or a good commonsense solution to bidding a hand I am having difficulty with?
#20
Posted 2010-September-13, 14:55
Splintering is the right option if you're not going to drive to the 5 level, but imo is quite bad if you are willing to drive that high.
On a bad day you can't even make 4H, on a good day you make 7H opposite a hand that won't try for slam over a splinter. I don't think either plan is unreasonable, I am typically cautious in this type of position but I want to bid 5H so whatever. It certainly does not do justice to your hand to bid 3S or 4D and pass a signoff though.
I open in 3rd seat with 1♦. Regular partner bids 1♥. I bid 4N RKB1430. Partner responds 5♦. I place in 6♥. Opponents are silent throughout.
How bad/good was my placing of contract in heart slam?