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Im starting a new partnership and need to teach my system. Im the type of players who need to understand the usefulness and the logic behind a convention or an agreement to remember it easily. Maybe its because of my chess background where understanding opening lines and continuations are more useful than just remembering the moves.
Im playing with someone who seems to remember very easily all the spots in a boring bridge hands. So should I just shoot the system or teach the logic behind it ? Hes an experience polish club player but I dont think he has experience with others system and has no experience with relay bidding.
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Posted 2010-August-26, 08:01
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2010-August-26, 08:14
That's up to your partner to know the best way how he can learn your system imo.
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Posted 2010-August-26, 08:28
Have run into that often. How do people learn?
I learn best by reading (textbook), some by hearing (lecture), some by practice (homework).
Some are analytic as you (detailed why's), some are overview systemic as me (show me the intent --I'll fit near that), some are mnemonic (memorize).
Which is your partner?
For example, I saw the system precision easily so quite surprised a player had 5 pages to memorize for the 1C module.
I learn best by reading (textbook), some by hearing (lecture), some by practice (homework).
Some are analytic as you (detailed why's), some are overview systemic as me (show me the intent --I'll fit near that), some are mnemonic (memorize).
Which is your partner?
For example, I saw the system precision easily so quite surprised a player had 5 pages to memorize for the 1C module.
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Posted 2010-August-26, 08:50
I personally learn best by having the whole thing written down, and synthesising my own series of meta-rules to apply. Hearing someone else's just doesn't work as well.
However, I play regularly with one person who just need to hear the reason behind a couple of bids in the sequence and is very good at working out what the other bids "must mean" (especially fun when they're not defined as that; generally his idea is better natch), another person who has to practice it to remember anything, and one person with whom you can sit and read system notes to successfully but if he reads them in isolation they don't stick.
In short, your partner will know by now which style works best, and you can tailor your approach to that.
However, I play regularly with one person who just need to hear the reason behind a couple of bids in the sequence and is very good at working out what the other bids "must mean" (especially fun when they're not defined as that; generally his idea is better natch), another person who has to practice it to remember anything, and one person with whom you can sit and read system notes to successfully but if he reads them in isolation they don't stick.
In short, your partner will know by now which style works best, and you can tailor your approach to that.
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Posted 2010-August-26, 09:31
Hi,
I have a genius partner who must be actively bidding to learn a system (BBO bidding room is genius too). I have another partner who takes the notes away and comes back with understanding but can't learn anything with me interatcively (BBO mini-tournaments are good). In each case, it must be practiced many many times so you are actually not hurting yourself bridge-wise from memory strain. A system can be learned, or learned well and you can't afford to just learn it.
Thanks,
Dan
I have a genius partner who must be actively bidding to learn a system (BBO bidding room is genius too). I have another partner who takes the notes away and comes back with understanding but can't learn anything with me interatcively (BBO mini-tournaments are good). In each case, it must be practiced many many times so you are actually not hurting yourself bridge-wise from memory strain. A system can be learned, or learned well and you can't afford to just learn it.
Thanks,
Dan
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Posted 2010-August-27, 05:29
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Hes an experience polish club player but I dont think he has experience with others system and has no experience with relay bidding.
You might consider learning his system.
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Posted 2010-August-27, 21:18
What about developing a system / strategy together so each of you owns a part of it?
Then practice bidding, practice bidding, practice bidding ...
Then practice bidding, practice bidding, practice bidding ...
Ultra ♣ Relay: see Daniel's web page: https://bridgewithda...19/07/Ultra.pdf
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Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape, 2025-6: Canape!
C3: Copious Canape Club is still my favorite system. (Ultra upgraded, PM for notes)
Santa Fe Precision ♣ published 8/19. TOP3 published 11/20. Magic experiment (Science Modernized) with Lenzo. 2020: Jan Eric Larsson's Cottontail ♣. 2020. BFUN (Bridge For the UNbalanced) 2021: Weiss Simplified ♣ (Canape & Relay). 2022: Canary ♣ Modernized, 2023-4: KOK Canape, 2025-6: Canape!
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Posted 2010-August-29, 20:32
I have recently gone through this experience, from the learner perspective.
My partner developed a system and documentation to go with it. However, over the years the system had changed and not all relevant sections of the document were updated. As a result the documentation contains inconsistencies in bid meanings. All I can suggest is that if you give him/her any reference material to learn the system, make sure it is all consistent with the current version of your system.
My partner developed a system and documentation to go with it. However, over the years the system had changed and not all relevant sections of the document were updated. As a result the documentation contains inconsistencies in bid meanings. All I can suggest is that if you give him/her any reference material to learn the system, make sure it is all consistent with the current version of your system.
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