[rduran1216]

Scoring: MP

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Auction has gone

2H p p ?


The 2H bidder is a decent player.

Playing with someone playing a vanilla card and no agreements

[aguahombre]

Will wait til you tell us what we should have done.

[BudH]

rduran1216, on Aug 12 2010, 08:18 PM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ KJ ♥ A ♦ AQxx ♣ AKQ10xx

Auction has gone

2H p p ?


The 2H bidder is a decent player.

Playing with someone playing a vanilla card and no agreements

4H showing slam interest in a minor. After a 4S bid, I jump to 6C.

[kenrexford]

This seems like another obvious Piltch 5♠ call, the modified version. Bid 5♠, showing 6-4 in the minors and ostensibly three hearts. Partner will bid 5NT without a 4-card minor (asking Opener to bid the 6-card minor) or six of the minor that he has four of. Or, 6♥ if he has 5+ hearts with no 4-card minor. I just have to be prepared to bid 6NT if partner shows hearts.

[bluecalm]

BBO forum really is shaping my intuition. Quick look at the hand and "6♦" appears in my mind.
On serious note it looks like another wtp problem. Double now and bid clubs later...
If he bids lebensohl 2NT then I think 3NT should be right.

[gwnn]

six clubs... I hereby vow not to make references to that certain hand that many people keep making references to...

[P_Marlowe]

X.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Free]

6♦ wtp?

[OleBerg]

X.

And my next bid will be 6♣.

If partner has any imagination, he will know I have diamonds. If not he will pass (or raise). Anyway, I do not have the imagination for anything more ingenious.

(If partner takes 6♣ to be voidwood, I'll try some of his medication, and have a funny night.)

[Fluffy]

I double because ♠KJ can be better than ♠xxx so not so afraid of partner bidding spades many times.

If I can rebid 3/4♣ showing a flexible hand partner can still escape to spades wich can be a top spot at MPs.

With the majors reversed this will be tougher.

[helene_t]

Yeah double and if p bids 3♣ or 3♠ (assuming we don't play Lebensohl) my next bid is 6♣.

[ONEferBRID]

"This seems like another obvious Piltch call ", a modified ( ' Rexfordized ' ) 5♠ bid.

The hand over an opening preempt does look very similar to the recent one of dubious fame:

♠ void
♥ Axx
♦ AQxx
♣ AKQ7xx

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Aug 12 2010, 08:29 PM, said:

Will wait til you tell us what we should have done.

I thought this was a clear piltch bid...6♦

[ONEferBRID]

♠ KJ
♥ A
♦ AQxx
♣ AKQ10xx

What about Leaping Michaels but incorporate allowances for a 6/4 in the minors ( something akin to Rexford's idea ):

( 2M ) - p - ( p ) - 4M! = big 2-suiter, minors
( p ) - ??

??
Advancer:
4NT = no 4 card minor
5C/5D = 4+ card minor

After Advancer's 4NT:
Overcaller:
5C/5D = long suit or better of a 5/5, non-forcing
5H = slam forcing; asking for longer minor:
>> 5S = longer Cl ( max = 3 cards )
>> 5NT = longer Diam ( "    "    " )
>> 6C = equal length Cl/Diam ( max is 3-3 )

[jdonn]

And if I show minors with 1165 and partner is 5503, where will I get?
(2♥) 4♥ 4NT
5♦?

[ONEferBRID]

jdonn, on Aug 13 2010, 06:05 PM, said:

And if I show minors with 1165 and partner is 5503, where will I get?
(2♥) 4♥ 4NT
5♦?

Perhaps Partner corrects to 6C ( knowing it could be a 4-3 fit, but feels it's better than a 5-0 or 6-0 ) ?

Where would Ken end up ?

[jdonn]

Where would Ken ever end up? I don't always take him seriously but your system suggestions seem like you mean them.

For that matter, if you are 3-2 in the minors then aren't you on a total guess whether to pass or correct after 4NT and partner bids 5♣? These things just don't work.

[bucky]

jdonn, on Aug 13 2010, 06:41 PM, said:

Where would Ken ever end up? I don't always take him seriously but your system suggestions seem like you mean them.

For that matter, if you are 3-2 in the minors then aren't you on a total guess whether to pass or correct after 4NT and partner bids 5♣? These things just don't work.

It seems to me that over partner's 4M bid, 4NT should be "pick a minor by yourself partner", while 5C/5D shows clear preference. To require that 5C/5D show 4+ support when 4M bidder is supposed to be 5-5 or better, that doesn't seem very effective to me.

I think if 4M is supposed to be big 2-minor suiter (5-5 or better, and stronger than direct 4NT overcall), then this hand doesn't qualify. I'd just jump to 6C, at least I am not torturing partner. Doubling first then bidding 6C (over partner's presumed 2S response) is OK, but if we play lebensohl and partner bids 2NT (which is likely), now I will have to make another nebulous 3H cuebid, which just adds more confusion...

[ONEferBRID]

jdonn, on Aug 13 2010, 06:05 PM, said:

And if I show minors with 1165 and partner is 5503, where will I get?
(2♥) 4♥ 4NT
5♦?

There is "room" over the 2H preempt to solve this problem, but not over a 2S preempt ) :

( 2H ) - p - ( p ) - 4H!
( p ) 4S! = no 4m - ( p ) - ??

??
4NT! ( I have 5-5 so you bid your longer minor )
5C/5D ( I have 6m/4om, so I have bid my longer minor )

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But I tend to agree it probably is not a good idea to use Leaping Michaels
for the minors with a big 6/4 ... should be 5/5 at least.

[Gerben42]

Am I crazy if I just want to bid 3NT?