[gnasher]

The_Hog, on Aug 2 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

As is usual in most KC asks if reponder shows 0-3 or 1-4, the next step, excluding the suit set as trumps, usually asks for the trump Q.
I would have been sure that a player of your vast experience would be aware of this.

But you said

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1C  1S
2D  2S.....5 card M weak
2N  3S.....5S, 4H
3NT 4H.....5-4-2-2
4N  5D....1 or 4 KC
5N  6H.....5N = Ask in Ds, 5H = ask in H, 5S = to play

[gwnn]

English is only my third language but didn't you say that

5N is an asking bid for diamonds and
5H is an asking bid for hearts (i.e. not for the trump queen)

?

Oh Andy Bowles also misunderstood something even though his first language is English...

[Free]

The_Hog, on Aug 2 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

I had no idea this question was directed at me.

Since I quoted you and asked the question directly, I'd think a person like you would've figured it out. Ah well...

The_Hog, on Aug 2 2010, 10:42 AM, said:

As is usual in most KC asks if reponder shows 0-3 or 1-4, the next step, excluding the suit set as trumps, usually asks for the trump Q.
I would have been sure that a player of your vast experience would be aware of this.

Usually it's step 1, yes. However you defined your 5♥ bid (= step 1) as asking in ♥, so I wondered if you never ask. Since you also have different further developments, one might be surprised...

In this hand you hold the Q so there's no reason to ask for it. However partner doesn't know that as far as I can tell from your auction. It's not like you can only ask about the Q if you don't hold it, the bid is defined. So it seems like 5♥ would be Q ask, then 5NT would be ask in ♥ and 6♣ would ask about ♦, right? Because in that case, you would still find grand opposite ♦KQ, but you wouldn't have enough space if responder has ♣KQ.

[gwnn]

good point by whereagles, in my relay system you needed 9 hcp to force to game and we only scanned doubletons once, so N could see grand unless S had ATxxx Jxxx Kx(KJ) Jx specifically, very unlikely hand. we were sticking to the 9hcp's pretty much always since it was a little overbid already opposite 15+ and upgrades.

[655321]

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Lol such a typical The_Hog conversation.

[Raivis]

1♠-2NT
3♥-4♦
4♥-4♠
5♥-6♦
6♥-6NT
7♠.

2NT* - invitional or better hand, 4+ support
3H* - shortness
4D* - not minimal hand, cue
4H* - singleton honour/void
4S
5H* -♣A+♦A+♥A/void
6D* - discard suit, ask support
6H* - minimal support, ask spade quality
6NT
7S

[junyi_zhu]

Free, on Jul 29 2010, 06:56 AM, said:

This one our opponents had on a club evening, and they stopped in 4♠ after a misunderstanding. However, nobody found the grand. Can you?

Scoring: IMP

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We would probably bid it as follows:
1♠ - 3♣! (5+♠ ; 10-13 BAL 3+♠)
3♥! - 3♠! (SI with shortness ; relay)
4♥! - 4NT (singleton ♥ ; RKC)
5♣ - 5♦ (1/4 ; ♠Q?)
6♠ - 7♠? (♠Q without Kings ; ♦Axx+???)
The question at 6♠ is if opener has ♦Axx or longer, or if it's Ax (singleton A is impossible as opener would've shown singleton ♦ instead of ♥ with 2 stiff Aces, or shown a second suit if it's good enough). We don't know, we only know opener has 5+♠ from KQ, singleton ♥ and 3 Aces. Chance is big North has at least 3♦ so I think we should bid the grand.

2D(19-20, one suiter) 2H(relay)
2N(S one suiter, 6 or more, no side suits) 3H(4 +card support, relay, asking H)
4C(stiff H) 4D(relay)
4H(3 Diamonds) 4N(rkc)
5C 7S

[mycroft]

I'm looking at:
1C-1H (strong - spades)
1S-2C (agree spades - 3 controls)
2S-3C (spades? - 5 to 1/top3)
3D-3NT (diamonds? - second round)
4C-4H (clubs? - third round)
5D-5S (DK or stiff? - K)
6D-7S(?) (anything else in D? - Yep)

or 1C-1H; 1S-2C; 2S-3C; 3D-3NT;
4H-4S (hearts? - xxx+)
5C-5H (clubs? - third round)
6D-7S(?) (you have to have SA DK, anything else in D? - Yep)

Harder with the second path because we would have to both be on the same wavelength that the type-of-control query in diamonds is unnecessary. But yeah, 1460 should still be a good result.

[Free]

mycroft, on Aug 3 2010, 11:16 PM, said:

I'm looking at:
1C-1H (strong - spades)
1S-2C (agree spades - 3 controls)
2S-3C (spades? - 5 to 1/top3)
3D-3NT (diamonds? - second round)
4C-4H (clubs? - third round)
5D-5S (DK or stiff? - K)
6D-7S(?) (anything else in D? - Yep)

or 1C-1H; 1S-2C; 2S-3C; 3D-3NT;
4H-4S (hearts? - xxx+)
5C-5H (clubs? - third round)
6D-7S(?) (you have to have SA DK, anything else in D? - Yep)

Harder with the second path because we would have to both be on the same wavelength that the type-of-control query in diamonds is unnecessary. But yeah, 1460 should still be a good result.

Interesting, finally a precision auction with asking bids in action. But how do you know partner doesn't have ♣Qxx or QJx or something similar? That's also a 3rd round control right?

[Fluffy]

If you want a strong club auction I give you our viking club:

1♣-1♥ (strong- 5+ spades or balanced)
1♠-2♥ (relay- 5+ sapdes balanced or 4+ hearts, minimum)
2♠-3♣ (relay- 5422)
3♦-3♥ (relay-1 ace)
3♠-4♣ (relay-1 king)
4NT-5♠ (relay-♦ King)
5NT-6♦ (relay-1 queen)

damnit I got out of space to ask wich queen , needed them to be ♣KQ

[JLOGIC]

I AM A PSYCHOPATH BUT MIKEH IS GIVING ME THE HELP I NEED