[jillybean]

Scoring: MP

1♣ (P) 1♥ (1♠)
1N (2♠) 3♥ (P)
?

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[jdonn]

Whoa pass. Partner has to be able to stretch in an auction like this, it's pretty much up to him to place it. Additionally we have just two hearts and a wasted spade king.

[Codo]

We showed a weak NT with a spade value and no 3 card support for hearts already, don't we?

So it depends on the way you play 3 ♥ here.

If this is competetive- like Josh and all* experts play it- you have an easy pass.
If it is invitational like some lols play it: Accept the invitation.


* all is always an overbid, but maybe this time it is not.

[bluecalm]

4♥ is tempting to me.
I realize partner may be stretching but still we can scramble 10 tricks opposite some pretty weak hands with those kings being often well placed.

To solve (?!) those problems some people play good/bad 2NT here, not to say I recommend it, just pointing out.

[the hog]

4H. I play 3H as forcing here. With a non forcing hand partner would bid 2NT Good/Bad.

[Fluffy]

using standard methods partner didn't ask us any question, he just placed the final contract on the table.

[Cascade]

3♥ is not invitational.

Its interesting that this auction is treated quite differently than 1NT (2♠). In principle it would be possible to play Lebensohl or good/bad 2NT or similar here.

[MFA]

For me 3♥ would be invitational. Here it is standard to treat all responder's simple rebids in a major as invitational (except when XY-NT applies), because of weak jump shifts in the first round of bidding.

[mich-b]

MFA, on Jul 28 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

For me 3♥ would be invitational. Here it is standard to treat all responder's simple rebids in a major as invitational (except when XY-NT applies), because of weak jump shifts in the first round of bidding.

Do you also play that
1♦ 1♥
2♣ 2♥
is invitational ?

If yes, is responder supposed to jump to 2♥ with 4♠+6♥ and weaker than invite?

[MFA]

mich-b, on Jul 28 2010, 01:54 PM, said:

MFA, on Jul 28 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

For me 3♥ would be invitational. Here it is standard to treat all responder's simple rebids in a major as invitational (except when XY-NT applies), because of weak jump shifts in the first round of bidding.

Do you also play that
1♦ 1♥
2♣ 2♥
is invitational ?

If yes, is responder supposed to jump to 2♥ with 4♠+6♥ and weaker than invite?

Yes & yes. With 4-6-2-1 responder could also bid 1♥ and then take a preference to diamonds, or if it is a reasonable hand live with 1♥ then 2♥ although partner would expect a better hand.

Being able to invite while staying on the 2-level is great, when there is no guarantee of a fit. 1♥ then 3♥ invitational is really awful.

[jillybean]

I passed and made 5 opposite:
A J9xxxxx Qxx xx Hearts were 22 and the diamond J onside.

We have talked about G/B2N but not added it yet so I think I will take another look at it.

Thanks for the replies.

[cherdanno]

Cascade, on Jul 28 2010, 06:18 AM, said:

Its interesting that this auction is treated quite differently than 1NT (2♠). In principle it would be possible to play Lebensohl or good/bad 2NT or similar here.

Well there is a difference - opener has probably denied 3 hearts (in most styles of support doubles), so there is less need for a forcing 3♥ bid.

[Cyberyeti]

With 2 aces, 2 kings, not being 4333 and having 2 10s backed up by higher honours, I would have bid this hand howver I'd bid a balanced 15. So playing my own normal method with a weak no trump, I'd have duplicated your auction, shown 15+ and had lebensohl style 2N available. I'd have opened a 15-17 no trump if I'd been playing it.

[gwnn]

Hi jillybean,

I would bid 4♥ with that hand, not 3♥, you bid your hand well.

7 card suits are gold.

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on Jul 28 2010, 03:57 AM, said:

4H. I play 3H as forcing here. With a non forcing hand partner would bid 2NT Good/Bad.

Even when playing g/b 2NT, 3♥ is not normally played as forcing. It would be signoff / invitational.

[ggwhiz]

Partner seems to have a 3 1/2♥ bid, more like 3 1/4.

I don't see anything wrong except the opponents !@#$$%^^ 2♠ bid.

You just can't raise without sending the message to pard that they have to sit there like a lump and never compete. On these colours, my 3♥ bid might be hoping to escape for down a couple undoubled.