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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2010-July-24, 07:37

Scoring: MP

1♦ (P) 1♥ (P)
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Posted 2010-July-24, 07:41

Looks like a balanced hand to me. 4♥ ; but I can't bid 4♣ anyway, because it means something else.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 08:05

I can and bid 4♣.

Edit: No, I don't. 4♣ should be a small card, maybe 4♦ is better.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-July-24, 09:35

4♥ for me.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:06

4♥ for me says that I have 4 card support and that I expect game to probably make if PD has a min 1♥ bid.

I don't hate splintering but splintering with a stiff ace can cause PD to missevaluate the combined hands, expecting a stiff spot instead.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:10

4♣

The singlton A is not a problem here.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 10:13

We definitely need partner's values outside clubs (in spades in particular). That's what 4♣ tells him. I just don't get why some people have an automatic aversion to stiff ace. If partner has KQx QJxxx Qx xxx we want to be in slam, but if he has xxx QJxxx Qx KQx we want to stop in game. This is why we play splinters!
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Posted 2010-July-24, 12:21

7♦ looks like the value bid :unsure:


I'd bid 4♣ also jilly, my next bid is 5♦
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Posted 2010-July-24, 14:31

I can bid 2NT showing a GF raise :)
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Posted 2010-July-24, 14:40

totally agree with jdonn
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Posted 2010-July-24, 15:16

aguahombre, on Jul 25 2010, 01:41 AM, said:

Looks like a balanced hand to me.

Except for the obvious singleton.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 16:08

Yes, Wayne. I noticed the singleton and as stated would bid 4C if it meant that in our style. No I am not worried that the stiff is a bullet. No I woudn't splinter and then bid again over 4H (people love to do that, and I love it when they are someone else's partner.)
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Posted 2010-July-24, 16:29

The choice is between 4C splinter and 4H balanced powerhouse. If your agreement is you cannot splinter with a singleton ace, then no matter what you bid, it will be a lie. Pick the lie you like better, for me, 4C.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 18:27

I bid 4♣, lho came in with 5♣ and partner bid 5♥, do you go on?
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Posted 2010-July-24, 18:40

I bid 4H as I don't think splintering with a stiff bullet is a good idea.
I pass 5H; partner could have made a forcing pass with a slam going hand.
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Posted 2010-July-24, 23:29

jillybean, on Jul 24 2010, 07:27 PM, said:

I bid 4♣, lho came in with 5♣ and partner bid 5♥, do you go on?

No, I pass 5H.
Pass by partner would be forcing, because we were constructively bidding game.
Dbl would have suggested defending, so he does not have a good hand to defend or to suggest slam. He took charge by bidding 5H and I need to respect that.
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Posted 2010-July-25, 14:15

jillybean, on Jul 25 2010, 01:27 PM, said:

I bid 4♣, lho came in with 5♣ and partner bid 5♥, do you go on?

Agree with 4♣. A splinter with stiff ace is not ideal but is better than treating the hand as balanced. This is pretty much at the lower end in terms of strength. If partner made a forcing pass of their 5♣ I would cue bid 5♦, but still pass if he bids 5♥ next. Over a direct 5♥ it is a definite pass.
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Posted 2010-July-26, 02:07

what is this nonsense that 4♥ shows a balanced hand? what system is this?
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Posted 2010-July-26, 13:11

Fluffy, on Jul 26 2010, 03:07 AM, said:

what is this nonsense that 4♥ shows a balanced hand? what system is this?

Completely normal bridge, not nonsense.
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Posted 2010-July-26, 13:14

Fluffy, on Jul 26 2010, 03:07 AM, said:

what is this nonsense that 4♥ shows a balanced hand? what system is this?

A system where a 2NT rebid is non-forcing :P
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