[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

1♠ (2♠) ?

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I've done it before and I've heard the stories of players waiting to enter the auction only to find themselves still waiting for their bid when the round ends.
Is there ever a good time to wait, is this one of them?

[pooltuna]

yes this is one

[jillybean]

Can you elaborate please?

[quiddity]

What did you want to bid?

[nigel_k]

I definitely want to bid 3♦. I wouldn't do it but I won't be surprised if Mrs Guggenheim at the other table bids a firm 3♦ and it works out well for her.

[Cascade]

Negative Free Bids.

[Siegmund]

I am fine with Never, unless I've got a special agreement that lets me bid 3 bad diamonds here.

[mike777]

jillybean, on Jul 19 2010, 10:25 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♠ (2♠) ?

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I've done it before and heard the stories of players waiting to enter the auction only to find themselves still waiting for their bid when the round ends.
Is there ever a good time to wait, is this one of them?

PAss...nonexpert



1s can be junk....I have little defense..... I have less than 3s........I have crappy d.

we are unfav vul.

[Codo]

Not now for sure and hopefully not never. But if it is never, so be it....

[helene_t]

I think 3♦ is forcing so I have to pass, hoping that opps end in 3♣ so I can bid 3♦.

Alternatively, dbl, planning to sit for partner's double of 3♥ but pull a double of 3♣ to 3♦. I may be a tad weak for that.

[gwnn]

3♦. wap wap wap.

all other things being equal, go for a bid over a non bid.

some things to consider:

RHO seems to have clubs and then partner's clubs and diamonds will be approximately equal in length on average. Whenever he has short clubs, though, it will be great if we can find diamonds before they find clubs or hearts.

Also, we almost have a spade fit. Partner will be happy to rebid his spades over an alleged 3♥ from RHO because our 3♦ is encouraging.

We have two aces!!!

We have a 6 card suit!

Hey this is great. Now that I wrote all this down, I really think 3♦ is right. Writing bridge arguments is interesting, I should try it more often.

[effervesce]

Put me down for 3♦ too.

[mike777]

so eager to bioe 3d on crap

i guess 3d easy if mean crap

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maybe 1s=crap

[pooltuna]

jillybean, on Jul 19 2010, 08:42 PM, said:

Can you elaborate please?

you have no clue what the right action is, so you pass and see what happens as partner is still there plus LHO will have to act

[mikeh]

pooltuna, on Jul 20 2010, 08:39 AM, said:

jillybean, on Jul 19 2010, 08:42 PM, said:

Can you elaborate please?

you have no clue what the right action is, so you pass and see what happens as partner is still there plus LHO will have to act

If you think you have no clue now, wait til LHO bids 3♥ and it's your turn.

Do you think 4♦ now is a better call than 3♦ immediately?

I didn't think so.

I pass as it is, but I have to say that I hate it. I just can't quite force myself to create a forcing auction....3♦, for me and, I suspect, for almost everybody, is forcing....and we don't quite have what it takes to force.

But I pass without any expectation that anything good will happen.

Maybe we need a lebensohl 2N gadget here: 3♣/♦ forcing and natural and 2N long in a minor, constructive....on second thought...flip this: 2N forcing in a minor, 3minor constructive.

I mean, when was the last time anyone had a serious need for a natural 2N here?

I'm probably going to read a series of posts explaining that the Italians or the Poles or someone else already does this

[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

1♠ (2♠) P (3♣)
3♠ (P) 4♠ AP

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I hated it but found a pass and had an easy 4♠ bid when partner reopened.
As it turns out I could have bid 3♦/3♣ but I like Mike's idea of a leb2N bid here. I don't have NFB's

[hanp]

Agree with mikeh (he likes it so much when I post that), in that it's a good idea to use 2NT to be able to show a minor both with good and bad hands. Since we'l be doubling with most balanced 11-counts anyway, we won't miss the natural 2NT.

I think transfers are best so that you can always show your suit before the opponents bid 4H.

[pooltuna]

mikeh, on Jul 20 2010, 10:23 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jul 20 2010, 08:39 AM, said:

jillybean, on Jul 19 2010, 08:42 PM, said:

Can you elaborate please?

you have no clue what the right action is, so you pass and see what happens as partner is still there plus LHO will have to act

If you think you have no clue now, wait til LHO bids 3♥ and it's your turn.

Do you think 4♦ now is a better call than 3♦ immediately?
[snip]
Maybe we need a lebensohl 2N gadget here: 3♣/♦ forcing and natural and 2N long in a minor, constructive....on second thought...flip this: 2N forcing in a minor, 3minor constructive.

I mean, when was the last time anyone had a serious need for a natural 2N here?
[snip]

depends on how often you expect to hold something like

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in this auction. IMO at this point of the auction your expectation is for a part score battle which is another reason to pass as you don't have a clear fit and consequently they probably don't either.

[whereagles]

I'm not going to bid here, even if I had a gadget to show a NF diamond suit. I don't want to enter the bidding unless pard has extras, in which case he'll probably act over my LHOs bid.

[aguahombre]

hanp, on Jul 20 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

I think transfers are best so that you can always show your suit before the opponents bid 4H.

Not with the given hand, of course. But with a good minor and a mere competitive hand (AX XX KQJTXX XXX), you want to not only get the suit shown but also the limited strength.

With more strength, maybe it is more important to use 2NT to establish a force with an unknown long minor.

I don't know the real frequencies, but this seems more useful over the long run ---putting partner in a better position after further competition. He still might not know which minor you have after heart competition, but your strength will be known and a FP is established.