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#1 User is offline   TimG 

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Posted 2010-July-16, 20:20

1) KJ873 K852 8 A73, mp, nv/nv.
(1)-1-(3)-P
(P) - ?

Does it matters whether 3 is preemptive or mixed or limit?

2) 65 T8 T832 A8654, mp nv/nv.

1N-(2)-P-(2)
P - (P) - ?

1N is 15-17 and 2 shows majors.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 20:34

I'm going yellow on the first one: Pass.

On the second one I'd love to play 2NT for the minors, but since I don't 3.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2010-July-16, 21:06

TimG, on Jul 16 2010, 08:20 PM, said:

Does it matters whether 3 is preemptive or mixed or limit?

Apparently not to partner, who didn't stretch to support and didn't make a responsive double. chartreus card.

2nd one 2Nt is for minors, and it is still ugly. Fortunately partner will choose the lower with equal lengths, so "it's only matchpoints".
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Posted 2010-July-16, 21:19

Huh, I would never consider bidding on hand 2, seems like madness.

I would double on the first hand unless it was a limit raise.
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Posted 2010-July-16, 21:23

Why is bidding on the first hand madness? We have about half the deck and it's none vul at matchpoints.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 01:06

hanp, on Jul 16 2010, 10:23 PM, said:

Why is bidding on the first hand madness? We have about half the deck and it's none vul at matchpoints.

Misread auction thought it went 1N p 2D p 2H p p ?

I was like WTFFFFFFF PEOPLEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah i balance with 2N obv!
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Posted 2010-July-17, 01:07

hanp, on Jul 16 2010, 10:23 PM, said:

Why is bidding on the first hand madness? We have about half the deck and it's none vul at matchpoints.

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Posted 2010-July-17, 07:54

Two balances for me. I consider both close, but mp nv/nv is a strange beast.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 09:36

I'd double on the first hand only if 3 was weak and they play strong notrumps.

In this situation, opener will almost always have a weak notrump in which case we tend to have half the deck or more. So we want to balance with our appropriate shape, despite the lack of values.

If 3 is a limit raise then opponents often have "almost game values" without a great diamond fit (with a great diamond fit they might've bid game anyway). This is a bad time to balance.

If they play weak notrump and 3 is weak, then opener often has a strong notrump and again they frequently have "just short of game values" and a lousy diamond fit.
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Posted 2010-July-17, 09:45

1) I would X if preemptive otherwise am inclined to pass
2) I would try 3
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